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Post by keystone61 on May 28, 2019 10:47:37 GMT -5
Here's the thing. In order to debate a topic, one must first accept the premise of said debate. Man-made global warming, or climate change or whatever the name of it is on a given date, is a perfect example. I don't argue with people about it, because I reject their premise. The same thing applies here. I simply reject the notion that having a computer call balls and strikes is a valid argument. HMF's idea of holding umpires accountable is much better. IMO. If you're going to reject a premise and refuse to debate, then you can't just tell someone they're wrong and back that statement up with nothing and not expect to hear about it. And it's particularly inappropriate to tell someone they're wrong when the person is just stating their opinion and there's nothing available yet to prove the person is wrong. When there's no proof either way, nobody is right and nobody is wrong, everybody is just saying what they think. You're right. I shouldn't have done that. That said, I am adamantly opposed to the idea of robot umpires. Call that closed minded or whatever you wanna call it, but I don't wanna see my beloved game bastardized with this. I simply cannot, nor will I ever believe that there is enough to be gained from this to justify such a grotesque intrusion on the game. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 28, 2019 10:56:18 GMT -5
I don’t have anything against anybody being adamantly opposed to it, I understand. To me the quality of the game is affected because the umps are so bad at calling balls and strikes. I’ve been vocal about that for a long long time and vocal that there should have been higher standards set for their performance, but there wasn’t. So I’m just fed up, and now we have this technology that I think can completely fix the problem, so screw the umpires and their lack of caring about trying to be better all these years....while in fact they’ve just continued to get worse.
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Post by keystone61 on May 28, 2019 12:14:00 GMT -5
I get your frustration. We all feel it, but I don't think anything can completely fix the problem, and as much as the issue frustrates me, there is no way in hell that I wanna see a computer calling balls and strikes. That might just push me out the door.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 28, 2019 13:27:41 GMT -5
If it doesn’t completely fix the problem I feel confident it would make a significant enough difference to make it worth it. Right now my enjoyment of each game suffers because the umpires are so terrible, anything that actually makes the game better I’m open to.
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Post by mauibravefan on May 28, 2019 13:33:57 GMT -5
I am sure that computer called balls and strikes would be contested at times by a player but at least the same exact uniform standards would be applied on every pitch
An ump "missing" a ball and strike call can change the entire at bat dynamic and perhaps the game.How certain are you that the ump is 100% non biased and fair to all
players? I would think all efforts to avoid discrimination and error and promote impartiality can be appreciated
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Post by keystone61 on May 28, 2019 13:44:43 GMT -5
I am sure that computer called balls and strikes would be contested at times by a player but at least the same exact uniform standards would be applied on every pitch An ump "missing" a ball and strike call can change the entire at bat dynamic and perhaps the game.How certain are you that the ump is 100% non biased and fair to all players? I would think all efforts to avoid discrimination and error and promote impartiality can be appreciated All efforts are appreciated, let's just not bastardize the game in the process. There are other ways. I mean, come on, do you really wanna do something this extreme? Really??? |
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Post by keystone61 on May 28, 2019 13:46:28 GMT -5
Might as well equip the robot with a big hammer that comes out and bashes anyone who tries to argue with it in the head. ![]() ![]() |
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Post by mauibravefan on May 28, 2019 13:53:25 GMT -5
You have my curiosity roused with "other ways" to fix inaccurate ball and strike calls
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Post by keystone61 on May 28, 2019 14:02:54 GMT -5
HMF has the best idea. Hold them accountable. Holding PerfectoUmp over their heads might finally motivate them to do a better job. When I played, I always made it a point not to blame others when I screwed up. It was drilled in my head from an early age. To me, that's what this boils down to; blaming someone else for your shortcomings.
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Post by hokiedan on May 28, 2019 14:56:58 GMT -5
HMF has the best idea. Hold them accountable. Holding PerfectoUmp over their heads might finally motivate them to do a better job. When I played, I always made it a point not to blame others when I screwed up. It was drilled in my head from an early age. To me, that's what this boils down to; blaming someone else for your shortcomings. I don't understand...are you saying it's the batters fault or the fan watching the game's fault for the ineptitude or bias of an umpire? I agree with your first statement...they should be held accountable, but after that you lost me. |
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Post by mauibravefan on May 28, 2019 15:21:59 GMT -5
In order to hold them accountable there must be something to be accountable for. How can you do this as they are the ruler of the strike zone so how do you prove they were wrong on their calls
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Post by hokiedan on May 28, 2019 15:39:18 GMT -5
The way I see it, as technologies improve innovations will occur that will bring change. Everyone can agree that if you look back at the history of baseball there were egregious errors made on the bases with safe and out calls. Technology allowed the game to, if not make it perfect, at least improve it to the point where obvious errors are corrected by use of instant replay. If, after significant trial, it becomes apparent that electronic devices that call balls and strikes will reduce human error and improve the game it will happen. Automation is replacing people in all walks of life...why not in sports. And you can argue that we shouldn't do it because it's "not the way we've always done it"...but that is usually is not a very effective argument.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 28, 2019 16:40:28 GMT -5
I am sure that computer called balls and strikes would be contested at times by a player but at least the same exact uniform standards would be applied on every pitch An ump "missing" a ball and strike call can change the entire at bat dynamic and perhaps the game.How certain are you that the ump is 100% non biased and fair to all players? I would think all efforts to avoid discrimination and error and promote impartiality can be appreciated I agree. It wouldn't take long for hitters to adjust once there was a consistency to the calls.
Personally I can't stand the barking from hitters and coaches at the umps, even though it's often times justified. That's another thing we remove from the game in my opinion.
As for bias, check this out:
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Post by keystone61 on May 28, 2019 17:15:14 GMT -5
In order to hold them accountable there must be something to be accountable for. How can you do this as they are the ruler of the strike zone so how do you prove they were wrong on their calls Don't whine and piss and moan about umps. It's like I tell both of my boys...........show me a guy who's whining about umps/officials, and I'll show you a loser. That's just the way I was brought up. Computers calling balls and strikes? Sorry, not for me. Everything in our world is computer driven now. Can't we leave SOMETHING alone for chrissakes  |
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 28, 2019 17:30:54 GMT -5
In order to hold them accountable there must be something to be accountable for. How can you do this as they are the ruler of the strike zone so how do you prove they were wrong on their calls That's just the way I was brought up. Computers calling balls and strikes? Sorry, not for me. Everything in our world is computer driven now. Can't we leave SOMETHING alone for chrissakes That's a great lesson. If you are involved in and affected by a situation where someone is doing a terrible job, shut up and allow it to totally continue. |
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