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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 24, 2019 14:44:07 GMT -5
So, I started this tread on Dec 5th. Let's see how we've done in meeting the remaining needs:
OF: re-signed Markakis SP: RP:
Looks like you've still got some work to do there, AA!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:02:24 GMT -5
Maybe instead of giving all the reasons why a fan should appreciate Neck, how about you find reasons why they dont appreciate him. Maybe then you’ll understand why so many are underwhelmed by this move. I find more to like than not to like. I find most of the criticism superfluous. I am not saying he is a great ballplayer. I say he is a good ballplayer. Would I prefer a Hanigar, of course but he is Mariners property & you have to give up something to get something. Joc Pederson is an underachiever who underwhelms me. I know, he has HR power, a little better WAR. I'd take the steady know what I have game. And Will Myers, that is one former super prospect that is no superstar - up and down career & has missed some time - I remember when he first came up he was supposed to be all-everything And who knows what those teams want in trade Who did you want anyway, (in FA) other than arguing for the often injured Pollock, who would have cost draft pick compensation, whom among FA or other available realistic trade would you be pushing for? We know we are not getting the Bryceman, there is really not a heck of alot out there for corner OF guys that gives you more then Nick (I am including the intangibles and tangibles
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:04:49 GMT -5
So, I started this tread on Dec 5th. Let's see how we've done in meeting the remaining needs: OF: re-signed Markakis SP: RP: Looks like you've still got some work to do there, AA! Well. we are getting O'Day back for the pen. Good luck - interesting what he will bring in for SP, guess there will be some bargain basement shopping
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:06:56 GMT -5
Maybe instead of giving all the reasons why a fan should appreciate Neck, how about you find reasons why they dont appreciate him. Maybe then you’ll understand why so many are underwhelmed by th I find more to like than not to like. I find most of the criticism superfluous. I am not saying he is a great ballplayer. I say he is a good ballplayer. did not mean to double post
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 24, 2019 15:07:03 GMT -5
So, I started this tread on Dec 5th. Let's see how we've done in meeting the remaining needs: OF: re-signed Markakis SP: RP: Looks like you've still got some work to do there, AA! Well. we are getting O'Day back for the pen. Good luck - interesting what he will bring in for SP, guess there will be some bargain basement shopping Probably Gio Gonzalez
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:10:35 GMT -5
Well. we are getting O'Day back for the pen. Good luck - interesting what he will bring in for SP, guess there will be some bargain basement shopping Probably Gio Gonzalez That's better than most of what is left out there Like Marco Estrada, Clay Bucholz and the inconsistent Liriano who always seems to surface no matter what kind of yr he has Could there be an Ervin Santana reunion?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 24, 2019 15:50:12 GMT -5
I hear more and more talk of Gio Gonzales to the Braves in a one year deal. I've never been impressed with that guy...he always seemed the weak link in the Nats rotation when he was there. Yeah no thank you, pass. Seems like hes mentally fragile and inconsistent. I'd rather let the utes pitch for us.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 24, 2019 15:56:50 GMT -5
Ditto -- I find it hard Nick is so unappreciated here 38 doubles a yr and 10-12 HRS (forget the 2015 yr of 3 HRS) with an OPB in the 350-360 range - how is that not a good player And my eye test tells me he is adequate in RF -- was even a tad better last yr Too much overthinking with all this age of hyper-information for some people I will also take RBI totals of 89, 76 and 93. Maybe instead of giving all the reasons why a fan should appreciate Neck, how about you find reasons why they dont appreciate him. Maybe then you’ll understand why so many are underwhelmed by this move. All a person has to do is look at this meager contract Neck settled for to know that baseball people understand his real worth. They say he gave us a discount, but seriously, how much could that have been? It's not like he got offered $8M or $10M. And that says a lot. For a guy who is supposed to be so productive and have so many intangibles. I don't like to hate on him because I do think he's a good guy, but we should have done better.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 24, 2019 18:47:48 GMT -5
I like the nick signing and I believe the only reason anyone wouldn't be OK with it is they wanted a Hr hitter. And the thing is I believe nick could hit 25 HR if he tried to. I read an article yesterday that says He has slightly above league average exit velocity. And I think it said %40 of his contact was at 95mph. The only thing keeping him from hitting more HR is his launch angle.., maybe he will change that and add HR and lose average. He is a good player
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 24, 2019 18:55:26 GMT -5
Maybe instead of giving all the reasons why a fan should appreciate Neck, how about you find reasons why they dont appreciate him. Maybe then you’ll understand why so many are underwhelmed by this move. I find more to like than not to like. I find most of the criticism superfluous. I am not saying he is a great ballplayer. I say he is a good ballplayer. Would I prefer a Hanigar, of course but he is Mariners property & you have to give up something to get something. Joc Pederson is an underachiever who underwhelms me. I know, he has HR power, a little better WAR. I'd take the steady know what I have game. And Will Myers, that is one former super prospect that is no superstar - up and down career & has missed some time - I remember when he first came up he was supposed to be all-everything And who knows what those teams want in trade Who did you want anyway, (in FA) other than arguing for the often injured Pollock, who would have cost draft pick compensation, whom among FA or other available realistic trade would you be pushing for? We know we are not getting the Bryceman, there is really not a heck of alot out there for corner OF guys that gives you more then Nick (I am including the intangibles and tangibles Sure, you find more to like than not to like, but if you want to understand why someone finds more to dislike then you should look at that, and if you don’t know, then you should ask, instead of assuming that what you think they don’t like is actually what they don’t like. For instance, I don’t like that Neck spends months of a season being completely unproductive. The last two months of this past season he was a complete black hole, when the Braves needed his bat the most.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 24, 2019 18:57:03 GMT -5
I find more to like than not to like. I find most of the criticism superfluous. I am not saying he is a great ballplayer. I say he is a good ballplayer. Would I prefer a Hanigar, of course but he is Mariners property & you have to give up something to get something. Joc Pederson is an underachiever who underwhelms me. I know, he has HR power, a little better WAR. I'd take the steady know what I have game. And Will Myers, that is one former super prospect that is no superstar - up and down career & has missed some time - I remember when he first came up he was supposed to be all-everything And who knows what those teams want in trade Who did you want anyway, (in FA) other than arguing for the often injured Pollock, who would have cost draft pick compensation, whom among FA or other available realistic trade would you be pushing for? We know we are not getting the Bryceman, there is really not a heck of alot out there for corner OF guys that gives you more then Nick (I am including the intangibles and tangibles Sure, you find more to like than not to like, but if you want to understand why someone finds more to dislike then you should look at that, and if you don’t know, then you should ask, instead of assuming that what you think they don’t like is actually what they don’t like. For instance, I don’t like that Neck spends months of a season being completely unproductive. The last two months of this past season he was a complete black hole, when the Braves needed his bat the most. huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:05:20 GMT -5
I find more to like than not to like. I find most of the criticism superfluous. I am not saying he is a great ballplayer. I say he is a good ballplayer. Would I prefer a Hanigar, of course but he is Mariners property & you have to give up something to get something. Joc Pederson is an underachiever who underwhelms me. I know, he has HR power, a little better WAR. I'd take the steady know what I have game. And Will Myers, that is one former super prospect that is no superstar - up and down career & has missed some time - I remember when he first came up he was supposed to be all-everything And who knows what those teams want in trade Who did you want anyway, (in FA) other than arguing for the often injured Pollock, who would have cost draft pick compensation, whom among FA or other available realistic trade would you be pushing for? We know we are not getting the Bryceman, there is really not a heck of alot out there for corner OF guys that gives you more then Nick (I am including the intangibles and tangibles Sure, you find more to like than not to like, but if you want to understand why someone finds more to dislike then you should look at that, and if you don’t know, then you should ask, instead of assuming that what you think they don’t like is actually what they don’t like. For instance, I don’t like that Neck spends months of a season being completely unproductive. The last two months of this past season he was a complete black hole, when the Braves needed his bat the most. So, who would have been a better alternative for you for what the Braves would have realistically wanted to spend in terms of $$$$$ in FA or talent in what could have come back in a reasonable trade?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 24, 2019 21:46:19 GMT -5
Sure, you find more to like than not to like, but if you want to understand why someone finds more to dislike then you should look at that, and if you don’t know, then you should ask, instead of assuming that what you think they don’t like is actually what they don’t like. For instance, I don’t like that Neck spends months of a season being completely unproductive. The last two months of this past season he was a complete black hole, when the Braves needed his bat the most. So, who would have been a better alternative for you for what the Braves would have realistically wanted to spend in terms of $$$$$ in FA or talent in what could have come back in a reasonable trade? I would have put Camargo or Riley in the OF and saved the money for a player that’s actually an improvement over what the Braves got out of Neck last year. Neck, a year older, isn’t gonna be better than the version of him from last season. But if you hold my feet to the fire, Joc Pederson, and platoon him with Duvall.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 24, 2019 21:50:56 GMT -5
So, who would have been a better alternative for you for what the Braves would have realistically wanted to spend in terms of $$$$$ in FA or talent in what could have come back in a reasonable trade? I would have put Camargo or Riley in the OF and saved the money for a player that’s actually an improvement over what the Braves got out of Neck last year. Neck, a year older, isn’t gonna be better than the version of him from last season. I would be willing to bet that Camargo would have a higher WAR than Neck would if he played RF every day this year, and possibly Riley too. I don't so much mind Neck for the $30 or whatever it is that we'll be paying him for his valuable presence, but I don't like Neck taking AB's away from either one of those other guys. If Neck got 250 PA's this year I could live with that, but that likely won't happen. God forbid he get off to a slow start and keep playing, I'll have to go all medieval on Snitker and AA.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 25, 2019 1:50:33 GMT -5
I would have put Camargo or Riley in the OF and saved the money for a player that’s actually an improvement over what the Braves got out of Neck last year. Neck, a year older, isn’t gonna be better than the version of him from last season. I would be willing to bet that Camargo would have a higher WAR than Neck would if he played RF every day this year, and possibly Riley too. I don't so much mind Neck for the $30 or whatever it is that we'll be paying him for his valuable presence, but I don't like Neck taking AB's away from either one of those other guys. If Neck got 250 PA's this year I could live with that, but that likely won't happen. God forbid he get off to a slow start and keep playing, I'll have to go all medieval on Snitker and AA. I agree. I will say, though, that if the Braves got JTR his signing would be more bearable.
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