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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 26, 2018 21:04:11 GMT -5
I will stop calling the Braves cheap when they actually show they are interested in giving us a real MLB payroll, not a bottom 10 one No you won't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 12:19:45 GMT -5
Than HR that Machado hit last night would have been on our side had the Braves anteed enough to get him
We will never know but I wonder what was Alex offering - its not like LAD moved a corner of future Cooperstown or perennial All- Stars in that prospect package
Diaz is projected to be a solid player with fair to middling power -- he does not come close to replacing Machado and the rest of the package -- so so upside but you never know.
I would not be upset to see them win cause they sure have tried since that ownership group took over from the Mc Courts
They care -- our guys -- no further comment the actions speak for itself
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 27, 2018 13:05:32 GMT -5
Than HR that Machado hit last night would have been on our side had the Braves anteed enough to get him We will never know but I wonder what was Alex offering - its not like LAD moved a corner of future Cooperstown or perennial All- Stars in that prospect package Diaz is projected to be a solid player with fair to middling power -- he does not come close to replacing Machado and the rest of the package -- so so upside but you never know. I would not be upset to see them win cause they sure have tried since that ownership group took over from the Mc Courts They care -- our guys -- no further comment the actions speak for itself I’m glad the Braves didn’t trade for him. The next 5 to 6 years are more important than the next few months, and certainly better than a home run hit last night.
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Post by Drkirby on Jul 27, 2018 13:11:27 GMT -5
Than HR that Machado hit last night would have been on our side had the Braves anteed enough to get him We will never know but I wonder what was Alex offering - its not like LAD moved a corner of future Cooperstown or perennial All- Stars in that prospect package Diaz is projected to be a solid player with fair to middling power -- he does not come close to replacing Machado and the rest of the package -- so so upside but you never know. I would not be upset to see them win cause they sure have tried since that ownership group took over from the Mc Courts They care -- our guys -- no further comment the actions speak for itself Good thing we traded wainwright for JD Drew and won the World Series in an all in year!..I think that’s how it happened anyway?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 27, 2018 14:45:21 GMT -5
Than HR that Machado hit last night would have been on our side had the Braves anteed enough to get him We will never know but I wonder what was Alex offering - its not like LAD moved a corner of future Cooperstown or perennial All- Stars in that prospect package Diaz is projected to be a solid player with fair to middling power -- he does not come close to replacing Machado and the rest of the package -- so so upside but you never know. I would not be upset to see them win cause they sure have tried since that ownership group took over from the Mc Courts They care -- our guys -- no further comment the actions speak for itself So that Machado HR would have been for us... Was trading Sanchez to the Dodgers, having him start agaisnt us and throw the same pitch in the exact same situation part of the deal if we were getting Machado? You assign almost no value to the prospects the Dodgers traded because you assign very little value to any prospects. See it's a really tricky thing trading prospects... they do have value and maybe ours with higher value than what the Dodgers gave up would not have been worth it, but the next level down from us were not worth it to Baltimore. This direct comprison you try and make just doesn't fly because every situation and every player involved is unique. It's also just plain ignorant to say their guys "care" and imply our guys do not. That goes back to the same old fact that you fail to comprehend or acknowledge the differences in fixed finances and organizational structure between the two franchises.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 16:35:01 GMT -5
Than HR that Machado hit last night would have been on our side had the Braves anteed enough to get him We will never know but I wonder what was Alex offering - its not like LAD moved a corner of future Cooperstown or perennial All- Stars in that prospect package Diaz is projected to be a solid player with fair to middling power -- he does not come close to replacing Machado and the rest of the package -- so so upside but you never know. I would not be upset to see them win cause they sure have tried since that ownership group took over from the Mc Courts They care -- our guys -- no further comment the actions speak for itself Good thing we traded wainwright for JD Drew and won the World Series in an all in year!..I think that’s how it happened anyway? The JD deal would have worked out had AOL (owners at the time) kept JD who had his best yr for us And they did get an unexpected division title in 2004, that was the yr the austerity began and Bobby found a way to extend the streak and get 2 more divisions together -- would have looked better had they done more in the post season As for Wainwright -- that is the one prospect (and it happens sometimes) that was a real foundation for the Cards -- that is one that JS let get away. Its part of the gamble of winning now and the Braves were one of those teams going for it at one time
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 16:49:05 GMT -5
You assign almost no value to the prospects the Dodgers traded because you assign very little value to any prospects. See it's a really tricky thing trading prospects... they do have value and maybe ours with higher value than what the Dodgers gave up would not have been worth it, but the next level down from us were not worth it to Baltimore. This direct comprison you try and make just doesn't fly because every situation and every player involved is unique. Once in a while you might get an Adam Wainwright or Jeff Bagwell in a deadline deal but most prospects usually do not turn out as hoped Look at the players who have been less than what they were supposed to be when they were prospects, one guy I am thinking about is Joc Pederson - no where near what he was supposed to be. And Buxton in Minnesota who should have been a Mc Cutchen kind of player and his struggles -- he cannot get consistency - how much value does he have now. Casey Kotchman and Brandon Wood were top 5 BBA prospects and remember the infamous Edwin Salcedo Look at some of these first overall picks in the draft -- so I do not assign a great value to prospects cause its a higher failure rate than a foundational player rate And it takes even some of the best to get going -- Nolan Ryan with the Mets, it took Schilling a few yrs to get going -- Prospects do not give you immediate gratification most of the time -- that is the best way to put it
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 27, 2018 18:06:53 GMT -5
"Prospects do not give you immediate gratification"
It's nice to find out you know the definition of the word prospect, but everything else you said proves what I said about you not valuing them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 18:34:45 GMT -5
"Prospects do not give you immediate gratification" It's nice to find out you know the definition of the word prospect, but everything else you said proves what I said about you not valuing them. No disagreement from me -- I go back to the days of Brad Kommisk and Gerald Perry and they did not cut the mustard And remember Pete Smith who was probably higher thought of then Glavine after their first yr of 1988, and we saw how history turned out So yes, I have more value for real MLB talent, Prospects have disappointed me too many times cause there is more of that then guys like Chipper and Andruw There are very very few prospects I value and to me most of the time young pitching is a dime a dozen too much happens to these guys Once in a while you get it w/young minor league pitchers but man so many are not what they are supposed to be - if I were a MLB scout or farm director I would go crazy - would have a hard time with that job
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 27, 2018 20:16:59 GMT -5
"Prospects do not give you immediate gratification" It's nice to find out you know the definition of the word prospect, but everything else you said proves what I said about you not valuing them. No disagreement from me -- I go back to the days of Brad Kommisk and Gerald Perry and they did not cut the mustard And remember Pete Smith who was probably higher thought of then Glavine after their first yr of 1988, and we saw how history turned out So yes, I have more value for real MLB talent, Prospects have disappointed me too many times cause there is more of that then guys like Chipper and Andruw There are very very few prospects I value and to me most of the time young pitching is a dime a dozen too much happens to these guys Once in a while you get it w/young minor league pitchers but man so many are not what they are supposed to be - if I were a MLB scout or farm director I would go crazy - would have a hard time with that job I don't understand why you don't just go root for the Yankees.
What you really want is a team that traditionally doesn't care about it's farm system and just spends a lot of money. Well there you go.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 27, 2018 20:36:07 GMT -5
Should the Braves trade Markakis? it is clear now that AA has no desire to win this year so why not become Sellers? this may have been our best chance to win the division and we did Nothing. The Phillies is clearly better than Atlanta. and they have twice as much money to spend in the offseason. if the Nats become Sellars they will get a Big haul for several players. so they will become younger and better. I know people believe the Braves will land a big name FA next yr but it's not going to happen. so we need to just continue to rebuild and trade and get prospects
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 21:00:50 GMT -5
Should the Braves trade Markakis? it is clear now that AA has no desire to win this year so why not become Sellers? this may have been our best chance to win the division and we did Nothing. The Phillies is clearly better than Atlanta. and they have twice as much money to spend in the offseason. if the Nats become Sellars they will get a Big haul for several players. so they will become younger and better. I know people believe the Braves will land a big name FA next yr but it's not going to happen. so we need to just continue to rebuild and trade and get prospects I would like to see Nick finish out his very good season with the Braves & would not mind having him back for another yr or even two if they do not get a better player Its not like a team is going to give you a top 50 prospect for NIck so keep him -- why do we always have to move guys for prospects -- some lower level guys of whom never see the majors. I will tell you whom I am ready to move in the off season is Folty -- assuming he does not fall off a cliff like he did last second half he should have some trade value and they should get some value for him while he is still reasonably young and has the proverbial stuff that today's analytical nerds love I am out of patience with his one bad inning, one bad thing happening and not getting past 5 innings too many times. I have had it up to here with Frustrating Folty who seems to be on his second half swoon -- how much patience do you have to have I know he has stuff, could see it from day one but have never been a big Folty fan -- what you see is what you get and as time goes by I am more and more right on this guy -- hate to be right about him but it is what it is
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 27, 2018 21:18:40 GMT -5
Should the Braves trade Markakis? it is clear now that AA has no desire to win this year so why not become Sellers? this may have been our best chance to win the division and we did Nothing. The Phillies is clearly better than Atlanta. and they have twice as much money to spend in the offseason. if the Nats become Sellars they will get a Big haul for several players. so they will become younger and better. I know people believe the Braves will land a big name FA next yr but it's not going to happen. so we need to just continue to rebuild and trade and get prospects I would like to see Nick finish out his very good season with the Braves & would not mind having him back for another yr or even two if they do not get a better player Its not like a team is going to give you a top 50 prospect for NIck so keep him -- why do we always have to move guys for prospects -- some lower level guys of whom never see the majors. I will tell you whom I am ready to move in the off season is Folty -- assuming he does not fall off a cliff like he did last second half he should have some trade value and they should get some value for him while he is still reasonably young and has the proverbial stuff that today's analytical nerds love
I am out of patience with his one bad inning, one bad thing happening and not getting past 5 innings too many times. I have had it up to here with Frustrating Folty who seems to be on his second half swoon -- how much patience do you have to have I know he has stuff, could see it from day one but have never been a big Folty fan -- what you see is what you get and as time goes by I am more and more right on this guy -- hate to be right about him but it is what it is shaking me head......unreal.
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