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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 14, 2018 16:24:03 GMT -5
[ Certainly that can’t be ignored, but using surplus value as a way to dertermine trade possibilities is more a way towards finding a baseline. You’ll certainly find a team willing to offer more than the baseline, but you’ll rarely find a deal completed where less was accepted. To me that's the problem in this situation--ther'e sure to be at least 2-3 teams that will feel like one of these pitchers is THAT GUY they need to win the World Series and get wonky with what they offer. We're not just talking about two "good" pitchers here. I agree, that’s why I say keep the kids and go after MadBum or Sale after the 2019 season.
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Post by peteorr on Jun 14, 2018 16:32:59 GMT -5
Go away, canada man
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Post by jahgentle on Jun 14, 2018 16:38:17 GMT -5
Better. You used to just say F*** off, Canada, but you are getting there.
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Post by peteorr on Jun 14, 2018 17:04:24 GMT -5
politely chug some maple syrup
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Post by jryanw on Jun 14, 2018 18:10:45 GMT -5
No one would trade Acuna or Albies in a package for one of those guys. The normally very astute Nightman seems to have bumped his head. Lol [ I never claimed that anyone would trade them. I made the point that surplus value dictates that’s what deGrom is worth. That was before I realized that I had given deGrom the value of a hitter, rather than that of a pitcher; which is important because a pitchers values is significantly less than that of a hitter. So my package isn’t realistic. So, in a round about way I agree with you, but not for the reasons you mention. [ Gotcha. Yeah I missed your follow up post about hitter vs pitcher. That makes sense. Would you agree that a package of soroka wright pache and toussaint would get it done? Would you rather have DeGrom or Syndergaard? I'd prefer Syndergaard but the way degrom is pitching we could make a run in the playoffs with him at the TOTR.
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Post by jryanw on Jun 14, 2018 18:14:20 GMT -5
Dude Albies I said no longer a prospect. Acuna is the best prospect in baseball and has already flashed his talent. I may have been a little low based on what buster said but you are very high(on the crack you mentioned earlier I assume lol). Based on Buster that would mean Wright, Soroka, Pache and Toussaint. I assure you no other team will offer a prospect haul batter than that. I already mentioned Wright who I really don't want to trade. He would only be a part of the trade. Wright, Soroka, Pache, and Toussant could very well be what it would require to trade for DeGrom and I would absolutely not make that trade. That is precisely why I said hard pass from the beginning. Long term the Braves are probably going to want to keep Freeman beyond 2021 and extend both Albies and Acuna. That will be expensive. The Braves will have to save dollars somewhere. That's where low cost pitching comes into play. You would be trading away that low cost pitching and a good outfield prospect. We've seen what Soroka is capable of already at the major league level. Wright was a great prospect for a reason and is having a good season in the minors. Toussant has been up and down and I haven't kept up with him as much as others. Toussaint has been good at AA both this season and last. He was a first round draft pick for a reason. DeGrom is an ace. Make no mistake about it. As I see it though you hurt the team in the long term and possibly even before DeGrom would be gone. Soroka is at least capable of being better than DeGrom and together both Soroka and Wright should outproduce DeGrom at the major league level in 2020 before DeGrom becomes a free agent. That would be leaving Touki and Pache out of the equation entirely. This deal would not be good for the Braves. That package was actually intended for Syndergaard. I wouldn't include wright for degrom either because of the length of his contract and his age. Syndergaard would be with us until 2024 and he's only 25. For degrom I'd replace wright with allard.
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Post by jryanw on Jun 14, 2018 18:16:11 GMT -5
No one would trade Acuna or Albies in a package for one of those guys. The normally very astute Nightman seems to have bumped his head. Lol Didn't you say you were going to stop being rude to people? I'll let nightman decide if he cares and it is up to blue chair to decide if he wants to take action. But dude just try to be nice to people. You may disagree with nightman here. However, it is clear that nightman isn't being malicious. He isn't trying to troll you. How is saying "a normally astute person(that's a complement btw) must have bumped his head?" rude? I did miss a post where he said he accidently gave degrom hitter value so he and I actually agree.
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Post by akod on Jun 14, 2018 18:16:48 GMT -5
Syndergaard looks like a textbook young ace with injury problems. I think we will be talking about him as a what could have been guy. I’m not trading for that to be honest.
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Post by jahgentle on Jun 14, 2018 18:24:42 GMT -5
Didn't you say you were going to stop being rude to people? I'll let nightman decide if he cares and it is up to blue chair to decide if he wants to take action. But dude just try to be nice to people. You may disagree with nightman here. However, it is clear that nightman isn't being malicious. He isn't trying to troll you. How is saying "a normally astute person(that's a complement btw) must have bumped his head? I did miss a post where he said he accidently gave degrom hitter value so he and I actually agree. We don't know as Pete used to be all edgy and bad ass then something happened and the only conclusion I can come to is his listening to Tori Amos.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 14, 2018 19:23:05 GMT -5
[ I never claimed that anyone would trade them. I made the point that surplus value dictates that’s what deGrom is worth. That was before I realized that I had given deGrom the value of a hitter, rather than that of a pitcher; which is important because a pitchers values is significantly less than that of a hitter. So my package isn’t realistic. So, in a round about way I agree with you, but not for the reasons you mention. [ Gotcha. Yeah I missed your follow up post about hitter vs pitcher. That makes sense. Would you agree that a package of soroka wright pache and toussaint would get it done? Would you rather have DeGrom or Syndergaard? I'd prefer Syndergaard but the way degrom is pitching we could make a run in the playoffs with him at the TOTR. [ Well, without doing the math, but knowing what I know, I would say that’s a big overpay. When I say that hitters value is significantly more than pitchers, I wasn’t joking. I would actually say that Wright and a lesser prospect could be enough.
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Post by jryanw on Jun 14, 2018 19:38:44 GMT -5
Syndergaard looks like a textbook young ace with injury problems. I think we will be talking about him as a what could have been guy. I’m not trading for that to be honest. I understand you point and that may be the case but he hasn't had a repeat injury.
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Post by jryanw on Jun 14, 2018 19:40:28 GMT -5
[ Gotcha. Yeah I missed your follow up post about hitter vs pitcher. That makes sense. Would you agree that a package of soroka wright pache and toussaint would get it done? Would you rather have DeGrom or Syndergaard? I'd prefer Syndergaard but the way degrom is pitching we could make a run in the playoffs with him at the TOTR. [ Well, without doing the math, but knowing what I know, I would say that’s a big overpay. When I say that hitters value is significantly more than pitchers, I wasn’t joking. I would actually say that Wright and a lesser prospect could be enough. Wright toussaint?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 14, 2018 19:48:44 GMT -5
[ Well, without doing the math, but knowing what I know, I would say that’s a big overpay. When I say that hitters value is significantly more than pitchers, I wasn’t joking. I would actually say that Wright and a lesser prospect could be enough. Wright toussaint? I would tar and feather AA if he made that deal.
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Post by jryanw on Jun 14, 2018 20:08:33 GMT -5
I would tar and feather AA if he made that deal. We could win now though.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 14, 2018 20:38:57 GMT -5
How is saying "a normally astute person(that's a complement btw) must have bumped his head? I did miss a post where he said he accidently gave degrom hitter value so he and I actually agree. We don't know as Pete used to be all edgy and bad ass then something happened and the only conclusion I can come to is his listening to Tori Amos. "If you need me, me and Neil’ll be hanging out with the Dream King/ Neil says hi, by the way. Seems I keep getting this story twisted/ So where’s Neil when you need him? And if there is a way to find you, I will find you/ But will you find me if Neil makes me a tree? Got a sister named Desire....Teach me about them old worlds, big brother brother.”
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