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Post by peteorr on Apr 29, 2018 18:34:32 GMT -5
Nightman, you were watching the Phillies broadcast?
Pollock or Brantley could be decent options. Ultimately I would like Harper. I am really hoping that is feasible. I haven't been paying attention to the free agent list. Two of the top alternatives to Harper are Blackmon (signed extension) and McCutchen (bad so far in a young season). What are the team needs other than relievers? I know you want an ace. I think I'd prefer Harper to an ace. Can the Braves realistically afford both an ace and Pollock or Brantley? As for the rotation, I have always felt like it needs to work itself out internally. Scouts have raved about Gohara and he's been in the top 100 for a reason. Scouts also really like Soroka. Allard has been quite good as well. Are those three in the rotation if they are uninjured? Folty has been great so far. So would it be unreasonable to see those four in the rotation? Teheran is due $11M in 2019. Will he be traded? McCarthy has started out the season well. Perhaps he'll be re-signed? Fried could also be in the rotation. Could Sims be a factor? I'm blanking on the name right now, but we have a minor league starter who needed Tommy John who was in AA or AAA and well on his way to the majors. Could he be a starter?
What it comes down to for me is I'd like the Braves to sign Harper for 10/$350M if possible and spend the rest on the bullpen and other minor additions.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 29, 2018 18:38:05 GMT -5
After the game, Phillies broadcasters were going on about how the Braves lineup is pretty darn good. Had me salivating at the idea of adding Harper in the middle. That said, though, this offense doesn't necessarily need Harper to be elite. Add Riley and a guy like AJ Pollock or Michael Brantley and they'd be just as good.Braves absolutely need an Ace, though. I don't care if it comes from the prospect pile, trade, or free agency. Thank you thank you thank you!!! Use that extra money for a top pitcher or two and a top closer or two!
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Post by bravepap on Apr 29, 2018 19:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 29, 2018 21:55:36 GMT -5
You know me and my MadBum obsession. I don’t see a chance at the Braves getting Kershaw. I think if the Braves are gonna sign Keuchel and call him an Ace, they better have an Astros level offense to back him up. Patrick Corbin is making a case for himself, but I’m leery due to his lack of history.
Not much out there other than that, but 2020 has MadBum and Sale; not to mention Cole and Gray.
Here’s what I think. Give the Braves a full year with a rotation of Folty/Newk/Soroka/Gohara/Teheran, and see what happens.Spend some money on an OFer, Andrew Miller, and Craig Kimbrel. Then if an Ace is needed, go and get one of the aforementioned starters.
Questions at that point are, how much will all that cost and will it prevent the Braves from attempting to buy out arbitration years.
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Post by peteorr on Apr 29, 2018 23:01:25 GMT -5
The Braves might very well have enough money to sign Pollock, Miller, and Kimbrel. An ace after that? I'm not so sure. I definitely don't see arbitration players being bought after all of that.
The Braves need to add talent to the roster. The question is what will they prioritize beyond an outfielder and how much will they allot for that outfielder? Signing Albies and Acuna long term should be a higher priority than signing an ace. Folty has been good so far and Allard/Soroka/Gohara could be very good. If any of those three are good, extending them would be better than signing Keuchel or Corbin.
Although the Braves didn't do it and it ultimately wouldn't have worked because the pitching hasn't developed as expected, for a few years now I've wanted the Braves to invest in hitting and wait on the pitching. I'm sticking with that and that's why I want Harper. Sign Harper and extend Albies and Acuna and we are pretty much there if players already under contract player to their abilities.
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Do you not find relievers to be overpaid? Perhaps I'm spoiled by our many bargain bin success stories with relievers. Despite them being good, I just don't see Kimbrel and Miller being worth the money. It makes sense to pay them as your closer if you are a big market team. It becomes questionable if they are a setup man or you are a midmarket team.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 30, 2018 0:00:31 GMT -5
The Braves might very well have enough money to sign Pollock, Miller, and Kimbrel. An ace after that? I'm not so sure. I definitely don't see arbitration players being bought after all of that. The Braves need to add talent to the roster. The question is what will they prioritize beyond an outfielder and how much will they allot for that outfielder? Signing Albies and Acuna long term should be a higher priority than signing an ace. Folty has been good so far and Allard/Soroka/Gohara could be very good. If any of those three are good, extending them would be better than signing Keuchel or Corbin. Although the Braves didn't do it and it ultimately wouldn't have worked because the pitching hasn't developed as expected, for a few years now I've wanted the Braves to invest in hitting and wait on the pitching. I'm sticking with that and that's why I want Harper. Sign Harper and extend Albies and Acuna and we are pretty much there if players already under contract player to their abilities. edit: Do you not find relievers to be overpaid? Perhaps I'm spoiled by our many bargain bin success stories with relievers. Despite them being good, I just don't see Kimbrel and Miller being worth the money. It makes sense to pay them as your closer if you are a big market team. It becomes questionable if they are a setup man or you are a midmarket team. The Braves will have $80 million to spend, and that's if they don't increase the payroll. I don't see the 3 guys I proposed costing more than $50 million between them. That leaves $30 million, and again it could be more if they increase payroll. There's also Teheran coming off the books. Braves could get those three guys, stand pat, and have $40+ million (minus Teheran) to spend. That's an ace, plus a couple of extensions. What I'm getting at is the money is there.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 30, 2018 0:07:12 GMT -5
Nightman, you were watching the Phillies broadcast? Pollock or Brantley could be decent options. Ultimately I would like Harper. I am really hoping that is feasible. I haven't been paying attention to the free agent list. Two of the top alternatives to Harper are Blackmon (signed extension) and McCutchen (bad so far in a young season). What are the team needs other than relievers? I know you want an ace. I think I'd prefer Harper to an ace. Can the Braves realistically afford both an ace and Pollock or Brantley? As for the rotation, I have always felt like it needs to work itself out internally. Scouts have raved about Gohara and he's been in the top 100 for a reason. Scouts also really like Soroka. Allard has been quite good as well. Are those three in the rotation if they are uninjured? Folty has been great so far. So would it be unreasonable to see those four in the rotation? Teheran is due $11M in 2019. Will he be traded? McCarthy has started out the season well. Perhaps he'll be re-signed? Fried could also be in the rotation. Could Sims be a factor? I'm blanking on the name right now, but we have a minor league starter who needed Tommy John who was in AA or AAA and well on his way to the majors. Could he be a starter? What it comes down to for me is I'd like the Braves to sign Harper for 10/$350M if possible and spend the rest on the bullpen and other minor additions. I did watch the Phillies broadcast today. Harper would obviously be great, but the Braves have the potential to have 3 5+ WAR players in the lineup without Harper; that's amazing. Outside of the rotation, areas of need are LF/RF, 3B, Ace, and Catcher. I'm fine with the Braves picking Flowers or Suzuki and calling up AJax as a backup. I'm more than fine with Riley being the 3rd baseman of the future. I really do think going out and getting Miller and Kimbrel make the Braves pennant contenders, as they are right now. You add Pollock or Brantley to the mix and you got a chance at something big. You add an Ace and you got a legit WS contender, IMO. With Harper, you can get Kimbrel and Miller, and then you gotta hope that the young pitching prospects do well. IMO, an Ace is a must have in the playoffs. You gotta have one. It doesn't guarantee a WS victory, but you have to have one.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Apr 30, 2018 5:49:58 GMT -5
We need to hold some money back for extensions. The arb cost of our stars will be huge if we are not careful.
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Post by bravepap on Apr 30, 2018 6:05:07 GMT -5
We need to hold some money back for extensions. The arb cost of our stars will be huge if we are not careful. Excellent point...in addition to wish lists that might include Kimbrel or Harper level players and their salary, we also need to think about Ozzie and Ronald and our kid pitchers needing paid in the future......unless we want to do this all over again. I'm guessing we aren't likely to be fielding a complete roster of 100+ wRC+ guys anytime soon....as nice as that would be, I don't think we can afford that.
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Post by peteorr on Apr 30, 2018 19:37:58 GMT -5
I didn't realize the Braves have $80M to spend. They clearly need an OF. The priority for me beyond that is extensions. Teams are often able to buy out two free agent years. Those two free agents years are in the prime of the player's career. One thing about signing an ace is the Braves will have rotation depth. Do they give up on their own pitchers? It would definitely have to be the right signing and not one that's forced because there is a perceived need and money available. I'm skeptical signing Kimbrel or other closers because of closer volatility. How many HOF closers are there? It is hard for closers to both get good and remain good for a long period of time. I would hate to sign one and then they lose velocity as they age. We'll have to just roll with the punches. We can't control anything after all.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 30, 2018 21:27:35 GMT -5
I didn't realize the Braves have $80M to spend. They clearly need an OF. The priority for me beyond that is extensions. Teams are often able to buy out two free agent years. Those two free agents years are in the prime of the player's career. One thing about signing an ace is the Braves will have rotation depth. Do they give up on their own pitchers? It would definitely have to be the right signing and not one that's forced because there is a perceived need and money available. I'm skeptical signing Kimbrel or other closers because of closer volatility. How many HOF closers are there? It is hard for closers to both get good and remain good for a long period of time. I would hate to sign one and then they lose velocity as they age. We'll have to just roll with the punches. We can't control anything after all. This is mostly why I'm fine with them going after Pollock or Brantley, instead of Harper. Harper would be great, nay, he'd be fantastic, but could the money be spent better in other places? I think it can. I'm busy right now, but I feel compelled to do some free agent rosterbation, with payroll implications. Come back tomorrow, I'll have something by then. LOL
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Post by peteorr on May 11, 2018 20:23:36 GMT -5
I didn't realize the Braves have $80M to spend. They clearly need an OF. The priority for me beyond that is extensions. Teams are often able to buy out two free agent years. Those two free agents years are in the prime of the player's career. One thing about signing an ace is the Braves will have rotation depth. Do they give up on their own pitchers? It would definitely have to be the right signing and not one that's forced because there is a perceived need and money available. I'm skeptical signing Kimbrel or other closers because of closer volatility. How many HOF closers are there? It is hard for closers to both get good and remain good for a long period of time. I would hate to sign one and then they lose velocity as they age. We'll have to just roll with the punches. We can't control anything after all. This is mostly why I'm fine with them going after Pollock or Brantley, instead of Harper. Harper would be great, nay, he'd be fantastic, but could the money be spent better in other places? I think it can. I'm busy right now, but I feel compelled to do some free agent rosterbation, with payroll implications. Come back tomorrow, I'll have something by then. LOL "Come back tomorrow, I'll have something by then"
You are overdue.
You've said you want Kimbrel. Braves are 3rd most likely behind the Red Sox and Phillies to get him according to Heyman.
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Post by peteorr on May 11, 2018 20:29:04 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale Tweet (I still haven't figured out how to embed)
Manny Machado hits 150th career homer. He has two homers, six RBI tonight and is hitting .354 with 12 homers and 35 RBI for season with #Orioles. Cha-Ching!
TBH I'm still not all that interested in Machado
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Post by papabrave on May 12, 2018 4:44:54 GMT -5
Dont you guys have hope that Newcomb could be the future ace? The kid is pitching great and we have been told from day one was that he has the stuff. If he could limit his walks, he could emerge. Well he is limiting his walks right now. Also we all know that if a young player starts establishing a pedigree, he starts getting the close calls in the zone. That alone could propel him to a nice TOR pitcher. I say unless an ace falls into our laps at the trade deadline, we give Newcomb a full year.Then evaluate whether we want to spend big on an aging pitching ace .. Kershaw and Baumgarner would be great but Kershaw is hurt yet again. Baumgarner would be awesome . Hitters is my area of need at this time . Albies and Acuna with Freeman is great. Markakis is doing great now but we know we dont want to resign him . So we have a need there Riley could be the stud 3rd baseman we need . but do we bank on him? Inciarte , i think and its just my opinion, he has more trade value then anything. Good player and id love to keep him but i might base my decision to keep him on who we get to be our 3rd outfielder.If we get Harper Id be fine keeping him. But if we go after a middle aged outfielder who has injury history , i might be tempted to trade him and get another more potent bat and move Acuna to center . Inciarte is a good table setter But i think Albies is there to stay. Swanson i think is in the boat with Inciarte . With an incomplete right now . Love to keep him . But would you keep him if we could get Machado? That would make Swanson very good trade bait. Not saying id want or do that . Just leaving options open. Catcher is our biggest need. A Jackson hasnt done good at all this year. and i do have hope the younger Contreras is the real deal and he moves up the prospect charts. So he still has a couple years. We have a real quandry here . If Albies,Acuna and any 1 of our young pitchers (Newcomb or Gohara for example ) continue to get better, the money we have now ,we wont have to sign them when they become arb eligible and free agents in 5-6 years if we spend heavy on studs now. Unless we can give someone like Machado or Harper a front loaded contract with a nice opt out clause. Opt out contracts are becoming hot contract options i think. I would certainly prefer to give an opt out to a hitter then a pitcher. ( David Price anyone) He has an opt out this year and RedSox would love him to choose it . I doubt it happens.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 12, 2018 6:39:01 GMT -5
Yes on Newcomb. If he can keep the control consistent, he has TOR stuff. He could be the elusive ace of our future staff.
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