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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 12, 2021 10:33:38 GMT -5
I agree about the makeup, and it looks like she’s had some plastic surgery on her lips and cheeks and it looks bad to me. If she did do that she shouldn’t have, it wasn’t like she needed anything changed, she just had an average face....but now I feel like she doesn’t. Oh well.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 12, 2021 15:04:22 GMT -5
After 17 pro seasons, the Brave’s all-time Triple-A hits leader Sean Kazmar Jr, has announced his retirement from baseball.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 12, 2021 15:42:25 GMT -5
After 17 pro seasons, the Brave’s all-time Triple-A hits leader Sean Kazmar Jr, has announced his retirement from baseball. 22 total MLB games with 48 plate appearances. Lifetime MLB BA .195 He stuck with it... let's give him that.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 12, 2021 16:17:55 GMT -5
After 17 pro seasons, the Brave’s all-time Triple-A hits leader Sean Kazmar Jr, has announced his retirement from baseball. 22 total MLB games with 48 plate appearances. Lifetime MLB BA .195 He stuck with it... let's give him that. And he has a ring
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 12, 2021 16:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Nov 12, 2021 17:04:16 GMT -5
not terribly surprising if it is true. He's played above his previous contract payout. $200mill may be a bit high for LM's liking. If it were me, I'd agree to 6/200. Perhaps they can meet somewhere around 6/185 like Hart suggests, or 6/190. I think those would be close enough to get Freeman to sign. I mean heck, an extra $10-$15 mil ain't that much of a difference for someone with an already healthy bank acct.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 12, 2021 17:12:56 GMT -5
6 years $180M
Come on Fred.
No one is topping that given his age. I think he’s extremely fit and should age well, but still. I thought I was pretty well willing to pay whatever it took, no way it should be more than $30M per year. If he wants to stay in Atlanta that is a super fair price. If that doesn’t work for him I might have to say adios as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 17:58:14 GMT -5
5/135 seems like a low ball offer. I can see 6/180 or even try at 5/150. Freddie should get 30 mil per. Just the market and the value of the player.
Hope this does not become a Jon Lester situation that turned out bad in Boston back in 2014. They made a very low ball offer to him in his prime for 4 yrs and they lost some prime yrs for what was their best pitcher and important franchise icon at the time.
Two yrs later they covered that mistake with that bad 7 yr David Price contract which they are still half paying with he pitching for LAD.
Now, I know the Braves will not operate that way.
I know this is not a Red Sox forum but there are some similarities. Freddie well, one thing you do not want to do is disrespect him.
And we have no suitable replacement in house. Do they want to get one of those one yr stop gaps?
If Freddie gets say one of those monster 8 yr deals elsewhere I will not feel so bad about saying adios but if its over say, 5 yrs instead of 6 I will question why.
I just do not want to go back to the days when it was a revolving door at first and had the Robert Ficks and other journeymen types yr in and yr out
It was a rough run at first between Andres Galaraga and Freddie most of us remember that edit - Texiera was the one exception in that decade
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 18:01:56 GMT -5
22 total MLB games with 48 plate appearances. Lifetime MLB BA .195 He stuck with it... let's give him that. And he has a ring I hope Kazmir can stay in the game if his family has the stomach for it - more yrs of bouncing around the minors and maybe a MLB coaching or managing job comes up It worked for Snitker and his family stuck through it. The minors is not an easy life those guys work hard. No entitlement there but they do what they love
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 12, 2021 21:35:00 GMT -5
6/$170? If I were the Braves, I'd get really creative with this contract. Backloading, paying him after he's done playing, etc., that type of thing. I mean, if he really wants to be a Brave for life, there's plenty of ways to make that happen.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 12, 2021 21:44:40 GMT -5
I do know this. Liberty Media is gonna do business the way they do business. I don't think sentiment is gonna play a role in this as far as they're concerned. I would imagine that 6/$170 or thereabouts is gonna be their ceiling. I've said it many times. You can't pay a baseball player but so much and still have a winner. There's 25 other players needed to win. We all love Freddie, but we all wanna win more than we love Freddie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 23:04:30 GMT -5
If the Braves HAVE to go to plan B and I hope they do not, the best plan B is to trade for Matt Olson and I would offer alot
Other teams will offer alot for him and he is controlable for 2 more yrs
I would allow them to take as many as 4 players from the farm save for Langeliers, Harris, Elder and Mueller. There might be a couple more guys you positively do not want to trade.
I would even let them have Waters and Pache - I like Pache but as mentioned Snitker is not the type of manager who would use a guy like Pache to the best of his abilities.
I would even consider moving Rich Rod whom I like but obviously he is not going to be used here. At least not used in the situations we thought he would be when he was traded for.
Guess I would offer Waters, Pache, Tucker Davidson and Rich Rod. Throw in Touki or Ynoa if I have to
I really hope they do not go something like 4/60 for a declining Anthony Rizzo. I would pass on him and Brandon Belt should take the QO from SF - would not want to give up the draft choice associated with him. I think he will take it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 12, 2021 23:34:42 GMT -5
If the Braves HAVE to go to plan B and I hope they do not, the best plan B is to trade for Matt Olson and I would offer alot Other teams will offer alot for him and he is controlable for 2 more yrs I would allow them to take as many as 4 players from the farm save for Langeliers, Harris, Elder and Mueller. There might be a couple more guys you positively do not want to trade. I would even let them have Waters and Pache - I like Pache but as mentioned Snitker is not the type of manager who would use a guy like Pache to the best of his abilities. I would even consider moving Rich Rod whom I like but obviously he is not going to be used here. At least not used in the situations we thought he would be when he was traded for. Guess I would offer Waters, Pache, Tucker Davidson and Rich Rod. Throw in Touki or Ynoa if I have to I really hope they do not go something like 4/60 for a declining Anthony Rizzo. I would pass on him and Brandon Belt should take the QO from SF - would not want to give up the draft choice associated with him. I think he will take it. If I was a MLB GM, I would offer to pay your salary if any other team in baseball would give you their GM job......so I could make trades with you.
I'm starting to feel a little concern with Waters because he is so inconsistent and striking out so much, but I have zero doubts about Pache right now, I would not be trading him away, it would be one that would be regretted.
I would rather cough up the extra money for Freddie than give up good players and then try to sign Olson beyond his 3rd year. If he plays at his current level he will not be affordable beyond that third year.
But if 6 years $180M isn't enough to land Freddie I don't have any suggestions. More than that is too much, and trying to acquire Olson is too much. Maybe just sign Julio Franco again and go from there, I don't know.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 13, 2021 8:45:53 GMT -5
Yeah, if Freddie wants to break the bank, there are probably better ways to spend that much money. Just because he turned down 5/$135 doesn't mean he wants to break the bank, though. It just means he didn't like that offer. Maybe he wants to leave. Who knows?
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 13, 2021 8:52:29 GMT -5
6/$170? If I were the Braves, I'd get really creative with this contract. Backloading, paying him after he's done playing, etc., that type of thing. I mean, if he really wants to be a Brave for life, there's plenty of ways to make that happen. Bruce Sutter In 1984, Sutter signed a six-year contract that paid him $4.8 million. His Braves tenure was highlighted by injuries. Sutter annually receives $1.12 million from the Atlanta Braves and will continue to receive payments until 2022.
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