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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 6, 2021 14:05:10 GMT -5
I agree that, as fans, we should call out crazy moves from time to time. But there were a lot of people who went completely over the edge and bashed Snit in EVERY post. The man usually has a method to his madness and yes, it sometimes blew up in his face. But the man is not a moron. He has to consider things in his decision making that include things that as outsiders, we may not realize. As much as the players deserve most of the credit for this magical run, I simply don’t think it happens without Snit at the helm. They could have thrown in the towel in July or the new players may not have gelled as they did with another manager. Snit, if anything, in 2021 proved he is a leader. No, he’s not the greatest tactical manager, but he certainly is more than a punchline. He’s only one of two men who led our boys to the Promised Land and for that alone, deserves a measure of respect in my opinion. I respect him very much as a person. As a manager, he can and should do better, especially with his roster management. The man plays favorites. For every guy that loves him, there's one that hates him who we never hear about. How do you think guys like Rodriguez, Camargo, and Santana feel about him? Especially a guy like Rodriguez, who damn well should have been on the roster. Playing favorites is not acceptable to me. The thing is, do you know with absolute certainty he plays favorites? Doesn’t seem consistent with his character. Again there could be other factors that we don’t know as to why certain players play more than others. To me, and this is just my opinion, Snit seems more like the kind of guy who wants to do what’s best for the team and organization first. Again, he sees things we don’t have access to and maybe that factors into his decisions. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before calling him out on playing favorites, but that’s just me.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 6, 2021 14:13:50 GMT -5
I don't think anybody who has criticized was wrong, the criticisms were legit, our players were just able to overcome more than they should have. Maybe it all evens out in the long run though, and it's possible we even come out ahead overall. Maybe teams who have good X's and O's managering guys have to put up with their boss being a jerk and it makes them mentally miserable all season. And that matters. I'm willing to recognize that and acknowledge that. Now more than ever after hearing the players talk about Snitker this week. But it's still perfectly allowable to call out the crazy moves he makes! I agree that, as fans, we should call out crazy moves from time to time. But there were a lot of people who went completely over the edge and bashed Snit in EVERY post. The man usually had a method to his madness and yes, it sometimes blew up in his face. But the man is not a moron. He has to consider things in his decision making that include things that as outsiders, we may not realize. As much as the players deserve most of the credit for this magical run, I simply don’t think it happens without Snit at the helm. They could have thrown in the towel in July or the new players may not have gelled as they did with another manager. Snit, if anything, in 2021 proved he is a leader. No, he’s not the greatest tactical manager, but he certainly is more than a punchline. He’s only one of two men who led our boys to the Promised Land and for that alone, deserves a measure of respect in my opinion. We're all going to have our own opinions about the method to his madness working out sometimes--it's my opinion that when it does it's pure luck. That's true for every manager, a guy can make all the right moves and still have everything go wrong. It's all up to random luck in the end. But his moves are usually so off the wall, if they work, to me it's pure luck. Like using Lee and Davidson. It didn't work, but if it had it would have been total luck because there was no way anybody could justify either of those moves. There's no inside info that could possibly make it a good idea to have them on the roster to being with, let alone start those two guys back to back in World Series games. I do think there are times when there's inside info we have no clue about and it probably plays into decisions, but Snitker makes a whole lot of decisions that are beyond any possible inside info. I give him a ton of credit for his part in winning this World Series, as far as the atmosphere and the cheerleading, and I'll stand by my belief he is a moron when it comes to the actual use of players. Just my opinion. Perhaps though there's a chance he'll get better. There were a lot of things he did in these playoffs I agreed with, and his batting order adjustments seemed to work really well, that's an area where I think he's been lacking in the past.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 6, 2021 14:22:59 GMT -5
I respect him very much as a person. As a manager, he can and should do better, especially with his roster management. The man plays favorites. For every guy that loves him, there's one that hates him who we never hear about. How do you think guys like Rodriguez, Camargo, and Santana feel about him? Especially a guy like Rodriguez, who damn well should have been on the roster. Playing favorites is not acceptable to me. The thing is, do you know with absolute certainty he plays favorites? Doesn’t seem consistent with his character. Again there could be other factors that we don’t know as to why certain players play more than others. To me, and this is just my opinion, Snit seems more like the kind of guy who wants to do what’s best for the team and organization first. Again, he sees things we don’t have access to and maybe that factors into his decisions. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before calling him out on playing favorites, but that’s just me. I've heard him say himself in the playoffs he chose certain players because of matchups. Those are matchups that he sees as favorable in his mind, with no real logical explanation to follow them up--if there is I'd like to hear them. He doesn't use analytics at all, and if he did, it would be acceptable to hear him cite matchups as his reasoning (if he could legitimately back them up). I would really love to hear detailed explanations of how Webb was a better mathcup choice than RR, or what made Lee, Davidson, Smyly and Gore better matchup choices than RR or Santana. Or how Gore was a better matchup choice than Pache. Then we used a pinch runner one time in the series, and he used Heredia for that. If we had any extra inning games in our park we easily could have ended up with Gore playing the OF and batting a couple of times instead of Pache, who had a real good finish to his year with the bat in AAA. And can surely play better defense than Gore.
Anyway, I don't want to go on and on about all this, it's all behind us now, and like was said, I do think Snitker is a great person, overall he did his share to create this team and winning atmosphere and he does deserve a lot of credit for that.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 6, 2021 14:38:03 GMT -5
I'm sure there was a lot of inside info that went into the decision to carry Gore in 2 of the 3 series. What was that about? Did Snitker coach him back in the day and see it as a chance to funnel the kid some money? What for chrissakes was it??? There was certainly no baseball related reason to do that. It was absurd and could have cost us dearly!
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 6, 2021 14:56:07 GMT -5
I'm sure there was a lot of inside info that went into the decision to carry Gore in 2 of the 3 series. What was that about? Did Snitker coach him back in the day and see it as a chance to funnel the kid some money? What for chrissakes was it??? There was certainly no baseball related reason to do that. It was absurd and could have cost us dearly! Well, the great thing is that nothing Snit did or didn’t do cost us this season. World Champs!
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 6, 2021 15:38:58 GMT -5
True, and wonderful. Now......why was Gore on the roster?
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 6, 2021 15:45:30 GMT -5
True, and wonderful. Now......why was Gore on the roster? No idea. Don’t really care now.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 6, 2021 15:53:31 GMT -5
I don't necessarily care, I'd just like to know out of pure curiosity. We have a team with a core that can win another World Series or two, and you can't count on getting by with inexplicable decisions like that, but since Snitker got by with it this time, he will no doubt keep doing it. He's got a free pass now.......and I do care about that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 6, 2021 16:04:50 GMT -5
It's always been my nature to believe that things should be questioned. It helps to make things operate better now and in the future. If we all just stay quiet and look the other way there's a risk of things getting worse. I feel like that pretty much applies to everything in life. Not that a couple of mooks bitching on an internets forum are probably going to be noticed and make any difference, I still feel like it's important to speak up. Even if it just makes me feel better.
I also feel like I've given Snitker plenty of credit as well, and I do think that's important. Call things as they are, or at least as you see them, both ways. And I do feel encouraged about his batting order adjustments, hopefully that's a sign he can or is improving player decisions.
It could really matter in the long run, if he can improve at decisions, because we should be legit contenders for more championships every year for at the next 5-7 years and who knows beyond that. We'll have a target on our backs now and we're going to have to be at our best to stay elite.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 6, 2021 18:27:01 GMT -5
You can and should always look to improve no matter what you do. We're all thrilled with the championship, of course. That's what you play for and to achieve it feels unbelievable. That doesn't mean everybody can relax.
There's work to be done. Riley needs to cut down on strikeouts, GAPOZ needs to work on being a patient hitter, Ynoa needs to work on a 3rd pitch, and on and on. That's the way you stay on top.
Snitker needs to work on roster management, and he also needs to look in the mirror and MAKE DAMN SURE he's not letting a guy's haircut or his personality affect his usage, because that is patiently unfair to people, not to mention it's unfair to the team and the fans.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 6, 2021 19:42:05 GMT -5
You can and should always look to improve no matter what you do. We're all thrilled with the championship, of course. That's what you play for and to achieve it feels unbelievable. That doesn't mean everybody can relax. There's work to be done. Riley needs to cut down on strikeouts, GAPOZ needs to work on being a patient hitter, Ynoa needs to work on a 3rd pitch, and on and on. That's the way you stay on top. Snitker needs to work on roster management, and he also needs to look in the mirror and MAKE DAMN SURE he's not letting a guy's haircut or his personality affect his usage, because that is patiently unfair to people, not to mention it's unfair to the team and the fans. Lol, dude. Hasn’t even been a week since the Braves were crowned. Relax and enjoy it for a while before worrying about next year and beyond.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 7, 2021 0:19:55 GMT -5
You can and should always look to improve no matter what you do. We're all thrilled with the championship, of course. That's what you play for and to achieve it feels unbelievable. That doesn't mean everybody can relax. There's work to be done. Riley needs to cut down on strikeouts, GAPOZ needs to work on being a patient hitter, Ynoa needs to work on a 3rd pitch, and on and on. That's the way you stay on top. Snitker needs to work on roster management, and he also needs to look in the mirror and MAKE DAMN SURE he's not letting a guy's haircut or his personality affect his usage, because that is patiently unfair to people, not to mention it's unfair to the team and the fans. Lol, dude. Hasn’t even been a week since the Braves were crowned. Relax and enjoy it for a while before worrying about next year and beyond. I think we're all enjoying it as much as you are. There's a point here that you either don't get or you're ignoring. That's fine, but it's also ok to talk about the managerial moves the players overcame. We're just expressing a wish to not have to overcome them again down the road. I can only lose so many years off the end of my life, and a big chunk of those got used up this season!
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 7, 2021 5:39:13 GMT -5
Lol, dude. Hasn’t even been a week since the Braves were crowned. Relax and enjoy it for a while before worrying about next year and beyond. I think we're all enjoying it as much as you are. There's a point here that you either don't get or you're ignoring. That's fine, but it's also ok to talk about the managerial moves the players overcame. We're just expressing a wish to not have to overcome them again down the road. I can only lose so many years off the end of my life, and a big chunk of those got used up this season! I get it. I just think some of the criticism is unwarranted and based purely on speculation. That’s the only issue I have with it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 7, 2021 7:58:40 GMT -5
I think we're all enjoying it as much as you are. There's a point here that you either don't get or you're ignoring. That's fine, but it's also ok to talk about the managerial moves the players overcame. We're just expressing a wish to not have to overcome them again down the road. I can only lose so many years off the end of my life, and a big chunk of those got used up this season! I get it. I just think some of the criticism is unwarranted and based purely on speculation. That’s the only issue I have with it. Sometimes speculation is all we have, and I dont have a problem with that, it makes for interesting thought and conversation. And sometimes it’s fairly educated speculation. I think sometimes you’re overly sensitive to any criticism of Snitker, and I think we should remember we’re all passionate fans and sometimes things get said about him in the heat of the moment. Even when it’s said later it’s usually just venting. We can get pretty ugly but I don’t think there’s one person here who dislikes Snitker as a person. Even when we call him a moron it’s in reference to his managering moves.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 7, 2021 8:08:36 GMT -5
I think we're all enjoying it as much as you are. There's a point here that you either don't get or you're ignoring. That's fine, but it's also ok to talk about the managerial moves the players overcame. We're just expressing a wish to not have to overcome them again down the road. I can only lose so many years off the end of my life, and a big chunk of those got used up this season! I get it. I just think some of the criticism is unwarranted and based purely on speculation. That’s the only issue I have with it. I prefer to call it observation. You MIGHT be able to defend the shoddy treatment of Camargo by the organization given his struggles after being dumped when Donaldson was signed. Hell, there may even be a defense for leaving Rodriguez off the postseason roster 3 TIMES (although I seriously doubt that). However, carrying Lee, adding Davidson and then starting BOTH is as indefensible as Gore. We got away with it.......that doesn't make it smart.
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