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Post by keystone61 on Nov 7, 2021 8:11:04 GMT -5
Did we carry Gore because the Dodgers did? If so, that's sad, because Dave Roberts is a horrible manager. He's probably a worse tactical manager than Snitker.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 7, 2021 8:28:42 GMT -5
I get it. I just think some of the criticism is unwarranted and based purely on speculation. That’s the only issue I have with it. I prefer to call it observation. You MIGHT be able to defend the shoddy treatment of Camargo by the organization given his struggles after being dumped when Donaldson was signed. Hell, there may even be a defense for leaving Rodriguez off the postseason roster 3 TIMES (although I seriously doubt that). However, carrying Lee, adding Davidson and then starting BOTH is as indefensible as Gore. We got away with it.......that doesn't make it smart. Using the expression “we got away with it” speaks to the fact that we did get lucky in several ways. But that’s usually the case when any team wins it all in any sport. To me the biggest thing we got away with was the way the backend of our bullpen performed. They saved us and we won because of them. Snitker shorted us two usable arms in the pen which was not smart to begin with, then created a situation in each series where the back four got overworked. If those guys don’t come through we would have been toast. Minter was not a guy we could count on to be anywhere near as good as he was but he came through. Same with Smith. And Matzek had maybe one of the best playoff runs in World Series history for a relief pitcher. Just look at game 5 in the Dodgers series alone, if he doesn’t bail out Luke we quite probably would have ended up losing that series. Those guys pitching as much as they did and as well as they did was remarkable, I dont think it can be overstated how big they were for us. They were Snitkers strategy to win almost every game we won....just get to those guys and let them do what they did.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 7, 2021 9:32:57 GMT -5
Speaking of overusing bullpens, what is baseball going to do about what I see as a very precarious pitching situation? What I mean is the way pitchers are used now, EVERY bullpen is overworked. This kills arms and shortens and/or ruins careers. Should the union demand 2 more roster spots in the next CBA, bringing the total to 28? What can be done about this? I think it's a big problem that nobody talks about.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 7, 2021 10:25:29 GMT -5
100% of questioning what a baseball manager has done is based on speculation.
If we eliminate speculation from baseball talk, we might as well just shut the place down.
We can never prove anything about something that never happened.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 7, 2021 10:30:46 GMT -5
Speaking of overusing bullpens, what is baseball going to do about what I see as a very precarious pitching situation? What I mean is the way pitchers are used now, EVERY bullpen is overworked. This kills arms and shortens and/or ruins careers. Should the union demand 2 more roster spots in the next CBA, bringing the total to 28? What can be done about this? I think it's a big problem that nobody talks about. It depends on what you want the game to look like 5 years from now. If they expand the rosters and implement the universal DH, then that's 2 more pitchers on the roster. That means more bullpen games and an even quicker hook for starters than we have now. Plus if we add 60 more pitchers to MLB rosters then those guys are going to be guys who right now would be AAA pitchers, and the quality of pitching overall will be worse than it is now.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 7, 2021 11:34:30 GMT -5
Speaking of overusing bullpens, what is baseball going to do about what I see as a very precarious pitching situation? What I mean is the way pitchers are used now, EVERY bullpen is overworked. This kills arms and shortens and/or ruins careers. Should the union demand 2 more roster spots in the next CBA, bringing the total to 28? What can be done about this? I think it's a big problem that nobody talks about. It depends on what you want the game to look like 5 years from now. If they expand the rosters and implement the universal DH, then that's 2 more pitchers on the roster. That means more bullpen games and an even quicker hook for starters than we have now. Plus if we add 60 more pitchers to MLB rosters then those guys are going to be guys who right now would be AAA pitchers, and the quality of pitching overall will be worse than it is now. Excellent points. So what is the solution? Maybe allowing more movement back-and-forth between the minors and majors would help, although the 10-day injured list seems to get used for that purpose. I'd like to go back to starters pitching longer, but that's not likely to happen.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 7, 2021 14:13:16 GMT -5
It really is a conundrum. I think the ultimate answer is to start stretching pitchers out like they used to, where starters threw 100 to 120 pitches and were perfectly healthy.
This crap of having “bullpen games” is fine maybe a couple times during a season in dire situations, but the idea of making it a regular thing is retarded. It’s too demanding on the arms. And I believe if they keep trending this way we’re going to see a huge uprise in arm problems for pitchers.
Some things are not meant to be tinkered with. The game has done really well for a long time without bullpen games crap. we didn’t have arm problems until we started keeping pitchers down to 60-70 pitches.
So I think the answer is no extra roster spots. The teams can figure it out themselves when their relief pitchers are getting over used and they have nowhere to turn when everybody else’s pens are over used too. Get your starters trained to throw more pitches and have a 5 or 6 man rotation. It’s not a perfect answer but the bullpen games garbage is a lot further away from being a perfect answer.
A lot of these guys that are groomed for the pen could be starters just as easily as they are relief pitchers. It’s not that hard to have a full staff of starters. But some analytics butthole figured out the more times a batter sees the same pitcher in a game the more likely they are to hit that pitcher. Big deal. You gotta give and take. I don’t think it’s significant enough to completely alter the way pitching is approached like they’re doing now. So the averages go up some the third time around, but at least your pen isn’t being killed.
Another thought is to also get starting pitchers to focus on mixing things up more through the game so the hitter can’t sit on patterns. Also get the starters to focus more on disguising their pitches, make their delivery look the same no matter if it’s a fastball or curve or change. Pitchers who do that, it doesn’t matter if a batter sees him five times in a game.
You know, crazy concept here, let’s train starting pitchers to learn how to actually pitch instead of training them in the minors to be relievers who just throw 95+. At some point, and we may be getting there now, hitters will see enough of that heat to be able to hit it without any problem.
At one point I think there was talk of moving the mound back two or three feet and that makes me want to puke. I can’t think of a worse possible idea, for many reasons.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 7, 2021 14:43:53 GMT -5
The idea of moving the mound back is ridiculous.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 0:01:29 GMT -5
The play that ended the Astros season.
Just sayin'.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Nov 8, 2021 0:20:40 GMT -5
The play that ended the Astros season.
Just sayin'.
it never gets old!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 0:46:42 GMT -5
Another angle of the Soler home run.
AKA.....BOOM, HEADSHOT!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 3:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 8, 2021 9:00:30 GMT -5
I don't think I'll ever be able to get enough of it. From 3 games under .500 on August 2nd to a World Series championship is not only remarkable, it defies everything we know about a game with a season that lasts 162 games..........you're not supposed to be able to do what we just did. The baseball gods owed us this one for several reasons, from our lack of titles in the 90's when we had great baseball teams to the shoddy treatment of our franchise and the city of Atlanta by MLB over the All-Star game. While I will always criticize some things (that's what makes you a fan, isn't it?), the Atlanta Braves are a very well-run franchise. I'm proud to be a Braves fan, and it ain't just because we win.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 9:12:25 GMT -5
All the snowflake writers out there just focus on our fanbase as being racist because we do the chop, they don’t even talk about the game. I love that level of butthurt for them. I hope we win 7 more championships in a row and our chant haunts them in their sleep every single night.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 8, 2021 13:30:34 GMT -5
All the snowflake writers out there just focus on our fanbase as being racist because we do the chop, they don’t even talk about the game. I love that level of butthurt for them. I hope we win 7 more championships in a row and our chant haunts them in their sleep every single night. Yeah, it's just so much easier to throw around the word "racist" than it is to actually talk to people. I mean, there MUST be ill intent. I know the first thing on my mind when I do the chop or see it is that I want to denigrate Native Americans.........but that's just me Isn't it strange that the people who think like this are the woke crowd, not the people who are involved? I have never given this stuff a thought. I guess that just makes me that much more callous and horrible, though.
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