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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 16, 2021 0:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 16, 2021 2:06:53 GMT -5
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Nov 16, 2021 9:27:37 GMT -5
man I wish I could visit Chief so bad. It would be amazing to listen to him and what he has to say. Give me a sit down with Chief any day over these pantywaist sissywillows. It is exactly as he said the name Braves is an HONOR to Native Americans, and the chop is also in HONOR, it is a rallying cry, not something meant to dehumanize or stereotype Native Americans.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 16, 2021 11:09:45 GMT -5
man I wish I could visit Chief so bad. It would be amazing to listen to him and what he has to say. Give me a sit down with Chief any day over these pantywaist sissywillows. It is exactly as he said the name Braves is an HONOR to Native Americans, and the chop is also in HONOR, it is a rallying cry, not something meant to dehumanize or stereotype Native Americans. He's at Native American festivals around here quite frequently. I've talked with him at some of them and bought some of the stuff he makes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 14:27:09 GMT -5
I'd rather pay the known Freddie than the unknown Seiya Suzuki.
I don't really trust late 20s Japanese league talent. Not for that kind of money. He will not be cheap.
As for the Trevor Story thing well, that is something to maybe think about but I am not so keen on turning over this roster so fast.
The Dansby criticism because of his sometimes grotesque inconsistency - its fair and I don't think he is really worth 5/75 but who knows? Its alot of commitment for a guy who is that streaky and when he is off he is way off
Also add what you have to do with that unmentionable name who is under contract for 3 more yrs - if we have to keep him and have to pay him might as well play him when its all said and done
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 16, 2021 14:38:01 GMT -5
I'd rather pay the known Freddie than the unknown Seiya Suzuki. I don't really trust late 20s Japanese league talent. Not for that kind of money. He will not be cheap. As for the Trevor Story thing well, that is something to maybe think about but I am not so keen on turning over this roster so fast. The Dansby criticism because of his sometimes grotesque inconsistency - its fair and I don't think he is really worth 5/75 but who knows? Its alot of commitment for a guy who is that streaky and when he is off he is way off Also add what you have to do with that unmentionable name who is under contract for 3 more yrs - if we have to keep him and have to pay him might as well play him when its all said and done I'd like to know what the rest of the team thinks about that.....my inclination is that I don't want to ever see him in a Braves uniform ever again, I think a lot of fans feel that way......and we've always tried to steer clear of shady characters. Even though the felony charges were dropped....and they shouldn't have been, they wouldn't have been if the cops personally witnessed you or me choking our wife.....we should be able to reach a settlement with him and buy him out and let him go somewhere else. That's best for everybody. I believe rehab can work and people can change, but that takes several years to accomplish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 14:39:30 GMT -5
Chief Noc A Homa never should have been run out of the organization. He was not done right.
I remember him back in the 70s when the Braves were on the Game of the Week, well before the superstation and before my time here
Always liked the Braves well before I moved here - certain old time Braves I liked
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 14:44:29 GMT -5
Also add what you have to do with that unmentionable name who is under contract for 3 more yrs - if we have to keep him and have to pay him might as well play him when its all said and done I'd like to know what the rest of the team thinks about that.....my inclination is that I don't want to ever see him in a Braves uniform ever again, I think a lot of fans feel that way......and we've always tried to steer clear of shady characters. Even though the felony charges were dropped....and they shouldn't have been, they wouldn't have been if the cops personally witnessed you or me choking our wife.....we should be able to reach a settlement with him and buy him out and let him go somewhere else. That's best for everybody. I believe rehab can work and people can change, but that takes several years to accomplish. I cannot argue with that from a personal point of view. Its a good question how the rest of the team feels about it, I think it should be a consideration. I don't know how it should be handled. Its not my money to settle and if it works out that way would not blame the team. It will cost its alot of money left on the deal
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 16, 2021 14:54:53 GMT -5
To me, if the wife beater got an offer for half of what he is owed he should take it. He's very fortunate he has money to begin with so they could do whatever it is rich people do to get out of problems, because if the felony charges weren't dropped he almost certainly would have just had his entire contract voided and lost all of it. He did the crime, he created the issue, he created a real hardship for us, he needs to man up and take what he can get and move on.
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Post by hokiedan on Nov 17, 2021 15:51:11 GMT -5
This may sound like heresy to some, but I'm leaning toward letting Freddie walk. I think tying up $30 million for the next six years for a guy that will probably see his production plummet is just not prudent. The Acuna injury showed that one player doesn't make of break a season. The Braves can find a serviceable first baseman for a fraction of what they're going to pay Freeman and use the money for other needs. A quality starter, a legitimate closer, a couple of the outfielders that changed the equation for this season. And the narrative that Freddie is this clubhouse sage and team leader is way overblown if you ask me. I know they will probably sign him to appease the fan base...but I think in the end the Braves would be better off if they didn't.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 17, 2021 18:11:19 GMT -5
This may sound like heresy to some, but I'm leaning toward letting Freddie walk. I think tying up $30 million for the next six years for a guy that will probably see his production plummet is just not prudent. The Acuna injury showed that one player doesn't make of break a season. The Braves can find a serviceable first baseman for a fraction of what they're going to pay Freeman and use the money for other needs. A quality starter, a legitimate closer, a couple of the outfielders that changed the equation for this season. And the narrative that Freddie is this clubhouse sage and team leader is way overblown if you ask me. I know they will probably sign him to appease the fan base...but I think in the end the Braves would be better off if they didn't. I normally would 100% agree with you, but in this case Freddie has not shown any signs of regression. He's fit and works hard on his game, I'm really not worried about him regressing. We have no idea about the clubhouse sage thing.......my view on that is we have no way of knowing for sure, but as I've said many times I would not mess with the chemistry of our core. The importance of the chemistry is way under rated in my opinion, and these guys get along and play well together and play for each other. To some degree Freddie is at least a big part of that. We would have the core locked up for at least 5 years, I'll take my chances that's going to work out really well for us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 18:31:03 GMT -5
This may sound like heresy to some, but I'm leaning toward letting Freddie walk. I think tying up $30 million for the next six years for a guy that will probably see his production plummet is just not prudent. The Acuna injury showed that one player doesn't make of break a season. The Braves can find a serviceable first baseman for a fraction of what they're going to pay Freeman and use the money for other needs. A quality starter, a legitimate closer, a couple of the outfielders that changed the equation for this season. And the narrative that Freddie is this clubhouse sage and team leader is way overblown if you ask me. I know they will probably sign him to appease the fan base...but I think in the end the Braves would be better off if they didn't. What is your Plan B? To me the only good plan B is to make an aggressive pitch for Matt Olson and he will not come cheap. The NYY seem to be in on him. Brandon Belt might not be a bad stop gap but would not want to give him more than two yrs & the draft pick compensation to me is a turn off for for a guy at his age. Also played only 97 games last yr I do not want the declining Rizzo and the rest of FA options is junk. Maybe a 42 yr old Albert Pujols (Not serious)
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Post by peteorr on Nov 18, 2021 20:02:25 GMT -5
This may sound like heresy to some, but I'm leaning toward letting Freddie walk. I think tying up $30 million for the next six years for a guy that will probably see his production plummet is just not prudent. The Acuna injury showed that one player doesn't make of break a season. The Braves can find a serviceable first baseman for a fraction of what they're going to pay Freeman and use the money for other needs. A quality starter, a legitimate closer, a couple of the outfielders that changed the equation for this season. And the narrative that Freddie is this clubhouse sage and team leader is way overblown if you ask me. I know they will probably sign him to appease the fan base...but I think in the end the Braves would be better off if they didn't. I'm mixed on this. I ultimately agree with you though as you could surmise if you read my earlier post in this tread. In the near term depending on which team he goes to, Freddie could maybe even improve a little bit. Freeman's MVP season was when he had a ton of protection in the lineup since almost everyone in the lineup was hitting better than they should have been. Also a few of Freeman's better hitting seasons was when he had protection from Matt Kemp who was definitely no longer in his prime at that point. If Freddie actually goes the Yankees, who have shown interest, (as McCann did) then I could see Freeman's wRC+ possibly going up to 150 again.
As of now Freddie is still hitting well and he is a pure hitter. He isn't reliant on power that might fade. He is definitely still fast enough and limber enough to play first base. Everything is going well for him and I don't have this ominous feeling that his production is going to fall off a cliff. Ultimately, I would rather place a bet on the younger (and very likely cheaper) Trevor Story.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 18, 2021 23:21:28 GMT -5
It's not like Story is 25 and Freddie is 34..
It's only 3 years difference in age, and I don't trust hitters from Colorado when they no longer play in... Colorado.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 18, 2021 23:57:32 GMT -5
It's not like Story is 25 and Freddie is 34.. It's only 3 years difference in age, and I don't trust hitters from Colorado when they no longer play in... Colorado. Story for his career:
Home: .303/.369/.603/.972 with a 125 wrc+ Away: .241/.310/.442/.752 with a 98 wrc+
For the heck of it I checked his career high leverage numbers:
.244/.342/.421/.763 with an 89 wrc+
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