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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 18:36:25 GMT -5
I would rather have Heyward than wife beater if we can't do any better than Heyward. There really aren't that many options of players with similar bad contracts. A lot of the bad contracts are guys with 5 years left or $80M or crap like that. David Price was one I mentioned the other day that could work for us, but there are very limited options that would work for us. I like being out of it all in 2 years rather than 3 years. Heyward has a .791 career OPS against RHP and .645 against LHP. It's hard to imagine using a guy as a platoon player with what we'd be paying him, but if we sat him against LHP he'd still play two thirds of the games and would be a great defensive addition in late innings of games he didn't start. His biggest issue is relatively small nagging injuries. He had a bunch of those this year, as he has during his entire career. When he's healthy he's a productive player, when he's playing through injuries he's terrible. So it's a crapshoot in that regard.
We have no idea what kind of player wife choker will be the rest of his career, I don't think it's wise to assume he'll be the player we had in 2020. He's had several bad seasons in the big leagues. So I hope our management isn't afraid to move him because they don't want to lose his production, it's not a given it will be elite like it was in 2020. I wouldn't be totally surprised if they try the whole big PR scheme and try to say he's healed and a better man now please give him a chance, that takes years to accomplish. I want him gone, we've always stayed away from players with big personal clouds hanging over their character, let's not make an exception here, trade him or work out a payment settlement please.
Actually the Price thing would work better for us cause he has only one more yr left - per BB reference he is owed $32 mil but 16 mil of that would be paid by the Boston Red Sox (part of that Mookie Betts deal) when it was made with LAD So, in that case we would be liable for only 16 mil. Works all right for me in that case but would LAD want Ozuna. Might have to give them a mid level prospect for them to take all 3 yrs assuming they want any part of Ozuna. I would not like moving a prospect for that reason but hey, it rids us of that person. And the Heyward deal, I do not mind that and its not a bad gamble that Heyward might be able to be the player he was from 2018 to 20. He had 3 reasonable league average yrs - so you do not just rid of Mr Unmentionable but you get a 2 to 2.4 WAR guy & he is generally still liked by this fan base. The idea of a platoon well, so what cause we are getting the benefit of ridding that dark cloud on a bad contract. We can platoon Heyward with someone money be dammed. Only reason we take that money is ridding of Mr Unmentionable and we would all like that
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 4, 2021 19:10:00 GMT -5
I would rather have Heyward than wife beater if we can't do any better than Heyward. There really aren't that many options of players with similar bad contracts. A lot of the bad contracts are guys with 5 years left or $80M or crap like that. David Price was one I mentioned the other day that could work for us, but there are very limited options that would work for us. I like being out of it all in 2 years rather than 3 years. Heyward has a .791 career OPS against RHP and .645 against LHP. It's hard to imagine using a guy as a platoon player with what we'd be paying him, but if we sat him against LHP he'd still play two thirds of the games and would be a great defensive addition in late innings of games he didn't start. His biggest issue is relatively small nagging injuries. He had a bunch of those this year, as he has during his entire career. When he's healthy he's a productive player, when he's playing through injuries he's terrible. So it's a crapshoot in that regard.
We have no idea what kind of player wife choker will be the rest of his career, I don't think it's wise to assume he'll be the player we had in 2020. He's had several bad seasons in the big leagues. So I hope our management isn't afraid to move him because they don't want to lose his production, it's not a given it will be elite like it was in 2020. I wouldn't be totally surprised if they try the whole big PR scheme and try to say he's healed and a better man now please give him a chance, that takes years to accomplish. I want him gone, we've always stayed away from players with big personal clouds hanging over their character, let's not make an exception here, trade him or work out a payment settlement please.
Actually the Price thing would work better for us cause he has only one more yr left - per BB reference he is owed $32 mil but 16 mil of that would be paid by the Boston Red Sox (part of that Mookie Betts deal) when it was made with LAD So, in that case we would be liable for only 16 mil. Works all right for me in that case but would LAD want Ozuna. Might have to give them a mid level prospect for them to take all 3 yrs assuming they want any part of Ozuna. I would not like moving a prospect for that reason but hey, it rids us of that person. And the Heyward deal, I do not mind that and its not a bad gamble that Heyward might be able to be the player he was from 2018 to 20. He had 3 reasonable league average yrs - so you do not just rid of Mr Unmentionable but you get a 2 to 2.4 WAR guy & he is generally still liked by this fan base. The idea of a platoon well, so what cause we are getting the benefit of ridding that dark cloud on a bad contract. We can platoon Heyward with someone money be dammed. Only reason we take that money is ridding of Mr Unmentionable and we would all like that The Dodgers could bite, they have no soul to begin with and they don't care if their payroll is $600M.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 4, 2021 20:09:49 GMT -5
Heyward can’t hit. He never could hit, but he can help a team some. In other news, the Georgia Bulldogs still sh/t their pants every time they see Alabama.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 20:42:52 GMT -5
Obviously UGA will never beat Alabama, if it did not happen this yr it will never happen. But what do you do with Kirby Smart, he has made the program better and be careful what you wish for. Cannot really get rid of him - its not like he is a bad coach or the UGA is dumping the bed like it did in the Ray Goof days
As for any way the unmentionable one can be moved - good luck Alex. I just have not thought of a team where there can be a real legit need or fit and he was lousy last yr.
As for a buyout - that really does not help us. You know a buyout is going to take a pretty substantial sum more than likely. Maybe more than half of that deal
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 4, 2021 20:57:21 GMT -5
Heyward can’t hit. He never could hit, but he can help a team some. In other news, the Georgia Bulldogs still sh/t their pants every time they see Alabama. That is an incorrect statement. in 5400 big league ABs, a significant sample size, he has a career OPS of .750 and it's .791 against RHP for his career.
A correct statement would be that he never hit to the level of your your expectations.
That's fair, you have a right to that opinion, but facts is facts.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 5, 2021 2:58:36 GMT -5
OK. He has never hit to pretty much anyone’s expectations. Sorry, that’s all I’ve got.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2021 9:52:47 GMT -5
OK. He has never hit to pretty much anyone’s expectations. Sorry, that’s all I’ve got. Honestly he fell short of what I expected too, I’m sure not as much as with you, but to say he can’t hit isn’t accurate, that’s really the point. I can still be objective and say the guy was a good ball player, just not the legend people were wanting. Even with the down years he still has a career wRC+ of 105 with 100 being average, and was an elite defensive player.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2021 10:22:00 GMT -5
The power aspect is what disappoints most people. I recall articles and interviews where our management was wanting Heyward to cut down on his strikeouts, the year we batted him leadoff. And he did cut down and was a decent leadoff hitter. And for whatever reason, that’s the kind of player he decided to be. I think he could have gone back to being a power hitter and striking out a lot more, but for whatever reason he didn’t. Which is kind of ironic in this day and age.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 12:02:25 GMT -5
Heyward was a 27 HR guy in 2012, got off to a slow start in 13 but was beginning to heat up in the middle of that yr
Then, he got hit in the face with a foul ball and after that he was never the offensive force he was projected to be
He had a couple of what fans would call good but not great hitting yrs in 2014 and 15 - 15 in STL which might have been his most complete offensive season in spite of the lack of HRS
He has actually been up and down with the Cubs - has had only two really BUM yrs at the plate in 2016 and 21.
I still have a hunch the getting hit with the foul ball did have something to do with the overall disappointment in his production
I thought he would be able to hit 25 HRS and drive in 90 with the elite D and that is a heck of a ballplayer
His best OBP was his first yr in 2010. Very fine all around yr
The contract is a cause for the criticism it comes with the territory
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 6, 2021 11:25:16 GMT -5
OK. He has never hit to pretty much anyone’s expectations. Sorry, that’s all I’ve got. Honestly he fell short of what I expected too, I’m sure not as much as with you, but to say he can’t hit isn’t accurate, that’s really the point. I can still be objective and say the guy was a good ball player, just not the legend people were wanting. Even with the down years he still has a career wRC+ of 105 with 100 being average, and was an elite defensive player. Heyward is living proof that $180 million just don't buy much any more . I was STUNNED when the Cubs did that deal. I always thought he should change his approach at the plate, starting with his stance. I think he kills his power potential with his crouch (I haven't seen him recently, though). Plus, there's this little bit of ignorance, which doesn't help from where I sit. www.mlb.com/news/jason-heyward-david-ross-support-asg-moveIf you're gonna offer an opinion on something, you need to know what you're talking about, and neither he nor Ross knows anything about that beyond the legacy media misrepresentation of it. Sad.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 6, 2021 12:01:08 GMT -5
Are we really still bringing up the ASG move?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 10, 2021 11:46:12 GMT -5
Are we really still bringing up the ASG move? We should never stop bringing up the ASG move. I was ready to stop watching baseball over that B.S. it would be one thing if there was a legit reason but there wasn’t, not even close.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 10, 2021 11:50:57 GMT -5
We picked some guy from Miami in the rule 5 draft and apparently we are sending him to the Giants as the PTBNL in the trade for Jay Jackson. In the article I read it mentioned that Jackson had a “respectable” 3.74 ERA in 20 innings pitched last year. It’s rather interesting we find him to be more worthy than RR, who had a 2.94 ERA in 64 innings last year, a 2.70 ERA in 2020 in 23 innings pitched, and has a career ERA of 3.28.
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Post by PABraveFan on Dec 24, 2021 10:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 24, 2021 10:24:35 GMT -5
I thought there was no contact between players and teams during the lockout, including contract negotiations/signing.
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