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Post by littlebeast1 on Dec 6, 2019 15:20:31 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 6, 2019 15:36:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Waters or Wright or Muller either.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 6, 2019 15:44:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Waters or Wright or Muller either. So you think we've still got enough good prospects beyond those 6 to make a deal for a really good player? Wilson, Touki (maybe), Contreras, Tarnok, etc. is not that impressive a group, is it? I seriously don't know, since I don't know other teams' prospects.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Dec 6, 2019 15:47:23 GMT -5
The thing is you have to give quality to get quality. The time for hording prospects is over … again, be smart and don't sell the farm, but to me, six "can't touch" prospects limits the ability to get a difference maker or two for the ML roster.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 6, 2019 15:55:16 GMT -5
The thing is you have to give quality to get quality. The time for hording prospects is over … again, be smart and don't sell the farm, but to me, six "can't touch" prospects limits the ability to get a difference maker or two for the ML roster. That's true, but there are some guys in the majors we could move, too.
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Post by hokiedan on Dec 6, 2019 16:02:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Waters or Wright or Muller either. So you think we've still got enough good prospects beyond those 6 to make a deal for a really good player? Wilson, Touki (maybe), Contreras, Tarnok, etc. is not that impressive a group, is it? I seriously don't know, since I don't know other teams' prospects. If they anticipate Pache or Waters being ready by ST then you could throw in a Duvall or Inciarte. , that could make it possible.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 6, 2019 16:16:13 GMT -5
Aw that hurts my feelings to have my hero insult me. I am a sad panda. it should no child wants his daddy to insult him.. And everyones daddy should be there hero. Everyone's daddy should be where? I'm confused...........
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 6, 2019 16:18:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Waters or Wright or Muller either. So you think we've still got enough good prospects beyond those 6 to make a deal for a really good player? Wilson, Touki (maybe), Contreras, Tarnok, etc. is not that impressive a group, is it? I seriously don't know, since I don't know other teams' prospects. No I don't, not on prospects alone, but packaged with Ender or Camargo or Duvall, depending on how good of a player we're looking for in return, I could see that working. But we need to hang onto those top prospects.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 6, 2019 16:21:07 GMT -5
The thing is you have to give quality to get quality. The time for hording prospects is over … again, be smart and don't sell the farm, but to me, six "can't touch" prospects limits the ability to get a difference maker or two for the ML roster. I think the time to hoard prospects has never been more important. Beyond our top 6 we have 2-3 decent/maybe long shot prospects and completely bare beyond that.
Six "can't touch" prospects doesn't mean "can't miss," maybe 2, 3 or 4 of them actually make it enough to be good MLB players. But you have to keep that pipeline flowing nonstop because we aren't going to jump in and spend money with they top 5-8 teams any time soon.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 6, 2019 16:22:13 GMT -5
it should no child wants his daddy to insult him.. And everyones daddy should be there hero. Everyone's daddy should be where? I'm confused........... If you've ever made sense of anything he's ever written you're way ahead of the rest of us.
I wouldn't expect him to respond for awhile, he's off somewhere touching himself and pretending he's some guy's daddy.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Dec 6, 2019 16:33:46 GMT -5
The thing is you have to give quality to get quality. The time for hording prospects is over … again, be smart and don't sell the farm, but to me, six "can't touch" prospects limits the ability to get a difference maker or two for the ML roster. I think the time to hoard prospects has never been more important. Beyond our top 6 we have 2-3 decent/maybe long shot prospects and completely bare beyond that.
Six "can't touch" prospects doesn't mean "can't miss," maybe 2, 3 or 4 of them actually make it enough to be good MLB players. But you have to keep that pipeline flowing nonstop because we aren't going to jump in and spend money with they top 5-8 teams any time soon.
I'm not saying trade 2 or 3 of them, but we may have to part with one in order to get an impact bat for the lineup. Personally, I'm OK with that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 6, 2019 16:42:58 GMT -5
I think the time to hoard prospects has never been more important. Beyond our top 6 we have 2-3 decent/maybe long shot prospects and completely bare beyond that.
Six "can't touch" prospects doesn't mean "can't miss," maybe 2, 3 or 4 of them actually make it enough to be good MLB players. But you have to keep that pipeline flowing nonstop because we aren't going to jump in and spend money with they top 5-8 teams any time soon.
I'm not saying trade 2 or 3 of them, but we may have to part with one in order to get an impact bat for the lineup. Personally, I'm OK with that. I can understand the thinking, its such a crapshoot no matter which way you go, I just prefer to hang onto the prospects myself because we are getting so thin once we get past that top tier. It kind of magnifies the frustration I feel for not managing all assets properly, because it bleeds into how much you might need to trade from the prospect pool. I'm specifically talking about Camargo, because he was a nice asset that was mishandled this year. If they didn't have a plan for him (and Snitker never did, we knew that when he said in spring training there was a 95% chance Camargo would MAKE THE TEAM) then we should have dealt him because I'm sure he had more value at the start of this season than he does now. Even handling one player wrong like that might cause you to have to dip into that top tier of prospects now for one player and I don't like that idea.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 6, 2019 17:31:36 GMT -5
I'm a prospect hoarder.
I don't believe in the "go fer it!" mentality outside of spending a little FA money. The whole notion of turning cost controlled players for a couple of years for a guy turns my stomach because there is no guarantee it works. Build from within... fill in holes with value FA's looking to rebound or reestablish themselves. Your chances of that working for a single season is a better gamble than a lot of the prospect giveaways people propose.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 6, 2019 17:38:49 GMT -5
I'm a prospect hoarder. I don't believe in the "go fer it!" mentality outside of spending a little FA money. The whole notion of turning cost controlled players for a couple of years for a guy turns my stomach because there is no guarantee it works. Build from within... fill in holes with value FA's looking to rebound or reestablish themselves. Your chances of that working for a single season is a better gamble than a lot of the prospect giveaways people propose. There's no guarantee either way is going to work, the thing i like about hoarding the prospects is it increases your chances to keep the system flowing and keep you good for a long time. To me it's a safety net, espcecially for a team that's not going to be a top money spender. And I could be wrong, it just seems like these efforts to grab a really good player for several prospects almost never works. This is a arguable at this point, but we're well on our way to being able to say the Faillies acquiring Realmuto didn't work. Even though he had a really good season. They didn't even sniff the playoffs. I don't see them being good enough in 2020 to make the Realmuto deal worth it. They'd have to win the World Series to claim it was worth it. If he re-signs with them that's another matter, but I will be shocked if he does. No matter what he says now.
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Post by brady2705 on Dec 6, 2019 18:33:25 GMT -5
I'm using one of those Surplus Value trade calculators, for whatever that's worth. Here's one that looks like it would work, moderate overpay, but I would pursue:
Johan Camargo Touki Touissant Bryce Wilson
for
Kris Bryant
Only caveat I would put in is if Bryant's last year of arb eligibility is stripped away, Cubs would have to return one of Touissant or Wilson, as a PTBNL option that Atlanta could select from.
If that were doable, I think I'd prefer that to both Donaldson or Castellanos.
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