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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 29, 2019 14:23:56 GMT -5
this trade deadline is super important. my question is if AA does not land a difference-maker an Impact player. like we must have instead he lands 2 BP pieces in Joe Biagini and Mychal Givens. will the fan base turn on him Not the intelligent part of the fanbase.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 29, 2019 14:26:36 GMT -5
He'll be 34 when the season starts. Personally, I don't see a team offering him a 4 or 5 year deal. I can see it because he's stayed healthy and been productive. Since June 11th anyway with the production. Teams have been reluctant to give out the 8-10 year deals over the last couple years, but given that Donaldson has stayed in good shape and is still capable of going 100%, I could see somebody going 4-5 years on him. Obviously the yearly pay would probably have to be lower over the last two years, but I could see him being a good player for 5 more years. I wouldn't give him that contract myself, I could just see some desperate GM doing it. I would imagine he'll push for it if he's smart, and if he finishes this season strong he's going to have some leverage. He's not losing bat speed or any other skills at this point to scare teams away. Teams have also been reluctant to give long term deals to players past their prime years. Can you even think of a player who hit 34 that got a 4 or 5 year deal, that wasn't a starting pitcher? I can't really think of one off the top of my head. I mean, is it possible that a team could give him a 4-5 year deal, ya it's possible. Will that team be considered a playoff team, probably not. So, would JD take less years to play on a contender or more years on a non-contender? I know that's putting it either/or, but I'm looking at playoff teams and there aren't any that already have 3rd covered...except the Braves. Plus, he likes playing with the Braves, so that's gotta count for something. Either way, we'll just have to disagree on the length of contract he'll get. I just don't see it.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 29, 2019 14:28:02 GMT -5
If you're only going to keep can't miss players, then you're building a team the wrong way. The only way I'd trade Riley is for a can't miss player. If that's not possible then I'd prefer to keep him. I think Riley will end up a good player and would be fine keeping him. but I would rather have The Donaldson we have now than riley the next 3 yrs and we can replace Riley over the next 3 yrs power hitting 3B is not hard to find. I think the only players who should be off the table is Pache ,Waters and Anderson ..everyone else is free game and with there only being 1 deadline this yr you gotta give up top 10 prospects to help your club today. I'd even trade Swanson if it could get me a Stud starter who is under control. Your take on Riley is a fair take, but you shouldn't just be willing to give him away. Trading him in a package for Archer and Vasquez is basically giving him away. Archer is no good, and Vasquez is, but he's really just a reliever, and you can get some that are just as effective as he is for far cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 14:29:35 GMT -5
this trade deadline is super important. my question is if AA does not land a difference-maker an Impact player. like we must have instead he lands 2 BP pieces in Joe Biagini and Mychal Givens. will the fan base turn on him I don't think so If he just lands a couple of bull pen pieces like above and say Gausman and Folty do come back and be reasonably effective, that takes care of the pitching They will just have to work though the injuries Since AA has been here in the short time we have a division title and a contending season with at best a middling payroll and he has brought in some ideas that have worked well in the clubhouse (Anaylitics, and the like) Its been a positive atmosphere for the development of the young guys and rest assured, had the old regime stayed around, Snitker would have been on his way out Would Acuna and Albies worked out as well under the Hart/Coppy regime and whom ever was in charge, we do not know
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 29, 2019 14:30:31 GMT -5
I can see it because he's stayed healthy and been productive. Since June 11th anyway with the production. Teams have been reluctant to give out the 8-10 year deals over the last couple years, but given that Donaldson has stayed in good shape and is still capable of going 100%, I could see somebody going 4-5 years on him. Obviously the yearly pay would probably have to be lower over the last two years, but I could see him being a good player for 5 more years. I wouldn't give him that contract myself, I could just see some desperate GM doing it. I would imagine he'll push for it if he's smart, and if he finishes this season strong he's going to have some leverage. He's not losing bat speed or any other skills at this point to scare teams away. I can see the Mets or Philles giving him 3 yrs at 75-80 with a 4th yr option. and really don't want them having him. that has to be taken into consideration. both of those teams need 3B help and have shown they will pay stupid money. Braves would probably match that, plus you have to consider that Rendon will also be a free agent this off-season, so any team looking for a 3rd baseman is gonna look there first.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 29, 2019 14:33:32 GMT -5
I don't think Rendon is going anywhere.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 29, 2019 14:34:05 GMT -5
I can see it because he's stayed healthy and been productive. Since June 11th anyway with the production. Teams have been reluctant to give out the 8-10 year deals over the last couple years, but given that Donaldson has stayed in good shape and is still capable of going 100%, I could see somebody going 4-5 years on him. Obviously the yearly pay would probably have to be lower over the last two years, but I could see him being a good player for 5 more years. I wouldn't give him that contract myself, I could just see some desperate GM doing it. I would imagine he'll push for it if he's smart, and if he finishes this season strong he's going to have some leverage. He's not losing bat speed or any other skills at this point to scare teams away. Teams have also been reluctant to give long term deals to players past their prime years. Can you even think of a player who hit 34 that got a 4 or 5 year deal, that wasn't a starting pitcher? I can't really think of one off the top of my head. I mean, is it possible that a team could give him a 4-5 year deal, ya it's possible. Will that team be considered a playoff team, probably not. So, would JD take less years to play on a contender or more years on a non-contender? I know that's putting it either/or, but I'm looking at playoff teams and there aren't any that already have 3rd covered...except the Braves. Plus, he likes playing with the Braves, so that's gotta count for something. Either way, we'll just have to disagree on the length of contract he'll get. I just don't see it. Goldschmidt is getting ready to turn 32 and just got a big 5 year deal, it seems like one other guy did too. There's very few guys in that 32 and up that have maintained their skill level, I think Goldschmidt and Donaldson both have--even with the extra two year of age on him, Donaldson has proven he is still as capable as ever. Like I said I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't even give him 3 years at $20M per year, but I won't be surprised if some desperate GM does it.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 29, 2019 14:37:20 GMT -5
Ain't no way I'm giving Badhaircut 3 or 4 years. He'll be lucky to get 2/$40 somewhere.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 29, 2019 15:17:38 GMT -5
I can see the Mets or Philles giving him 3 yrs at 75-80 with a 4th yr option. and really don't want them having him. that has to be taken into consideration. both of those teams need 3B help and have shown they will pay stupid money. Braves would probably match that, plus you have to consider that Rendon will also be a free agent this off-season, so any team looking for a 3rd baseman is gonna look there first. i forgot about Rendon . but that means the nats , phills and Muts all may need3B so JD may get 4/110 deal .so Braves may need to offer extension soon . or go with Riley but if we go with Riley what OF player do we get to equal JD production ?
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 29, 2019 15:34:21 GMT -5
I think Riley will end up a good player and would be fine keeping him. but I would rather have The Donaldson we have now than riley the next 3 yrs and we can replace Riley over the next 3 yrs power hitting 3B is not hard to find. I think the only players who should be off the table is Pache ,Waters and Anderson ..everyone else is free game and with there only being 1 deadline this yr you gotta give up top 10 prospects to help your club today. I'd even trade Swanson if it could get me a Stud starter who is under control. Your take on Riley is a fair take, but you shouldn't just be willing to give him away. Trading him in a package for Archer and Vasquez is basically giving him away. Archer is no good, and Vasquez is, but he's really just a reliever, and you can get some that are just as effective as he is for far cheaper. I have never wanted Archer even when everyone on here was wanting him. however there is still a chance he becomes an Ace the stuff is there. Riley could bust just as easy as Archer finally getting it together. I don't think Riley will bust and would be happy keeping him I think he has done aa pretty good Job in LF he could play there next season . however I do not see Wright ever being any more than a Matt Wisler I am hopefully wrong for his sake. but the guy can't get AAA hitters out. so I have no problem taking a chance on Archer over a chance on Wright. and I think with the makeup of our team and our teams needs right now Vazquez is more important for the next few years to us then what Riley would be. I am just looking at what could help us more right now not 5 yrs down the road
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 29, 2019 15:54:40 GMT -5
I'm not an Archer fan and he only has two years left on his contract. I'm not a fan of trading away very young talented players for guys with short contracts. Especially when the player in question is not even performing well.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 29, 2019 16:17:12 GMT -5
Braves would probably match that, plus you have to consider that Rendon will also be a free agent this off-season, so any team looking for a 3rd baseman is gonna look there first. i forgot about Rendon . but that means the nats , phills and Muts all may need3B so JD may get 4/110 deal .so Braves may need to offer extension soon . or go with Riley but if we go with Riley what OF player do we get to equal JD production ? You don’t, you start the season with an OF of Acuna/Ender/Pache. Then you expect Riley to be better next year.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 29, 2019 17:06:13 GMT -5
i forgot about Rendon . but that means the nats , phills and Muts all may need3B so JD may get 4/110 deal .so Braves may need to offer extension soon . or go with Riley but if we go with Riley what OF player do we get to equal JD production ? You don’t, you start the season with an OF of Acuna/Ender/Pache. Then you expect Riley to be better next year. We will probably sign Nick to another one year deal and Pache will be in AAA.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 29, 2019 17:18:54 GMT -5
lol...
I can't figure out if we're dumb because we rush people too soon or if it's because we don't being them up quick enough. Seems to change daily!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 19:31:50 GMT -5
As for Archer, look we already have two MLB guys with ability that have underachieved but when right they can be very useful, they were useful last yr,
Would just assume work with Gausman and Folty than take on Archer and give up future for them
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