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Post by keystone61 on Apr 28, 2019 7:47:12 GMT -5
The season ain't over but AA has let the team and the fans down big-time with this mess of a pen. Hopefully the new GM will actually address the team’s needs this coming offseason. You mean you don't think AA addressed our needs by spending $23 million for one year of a player at a position where we had an emerging star and Gold Glove candidate while completely ignoring the bullpen? I think that move is almost as brilliant as our decision to take said $23 million player and effectively bump our young superstar from the lead-off role, where said young superstar was only the primary reason that our team shocked the baseball world by winning the division. Anything for Mr Badhaircut, right? Hell, after all, he IS the Executive of the Year!!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 28, 2019 9:34:39 GMT -5
Hopefully the new GM will actually address the team’s needs this coming offseason. You mean you don't think AA addressed our needs by spending $23 million for one year of a player at a position where we had an emerging star and Gold Glove candidate while completely ignoring the bullpen? I think that move is almost as brilliant as our decision to take said $23 million player and effectively bump our young superstar from the lead-off role, where said young superstar was only the primary reason that our team shocked the baseball world by winning the division. Anything for Mr Badhaircut, right? Hell, after all, he IS the Executive of the Year!! Perhaps it’s a clear indicator that those who voted know a whole lot more about what’s actually going on than you do.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 28, 2019 10:14:54 GMT -5
You mean you don't think AA addressed our needs by spending $23 million for one year of a player at a position where we had an emerging star and Gold Glove candidate while completely ignoring the bullpen? I think that move is almost as brilliant as our decision to take said $23 million player and effectively bump our young superstar from the lead-off role, where said young superstar was only the primary reason that our team shocked the baseball world by winning the division. Anything for Mr Badhaircut, right? Hell, after all, he IS the Executive of the Year!! Perhaps it’s a clear indicator that those who voted know a whole lot more about what’s actually going on than you do. Actually, to me it's more of an indication that sports is a lot like other institutions where who you are is more important than what you do. AA getting executive of the year is akin to Barack Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize as far as I'm concerned. You can defend him all you want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 13:46:34 GMT -5
AA is not getting Executive of the year this time around, season is disappointing this time around
And, truth be told we are not getting another GM
And as for Donaldson, take a deep breath he will be gone at the deadline (that is my hunch)
Maybe some of these young guys will be better next yr or, some money will be available to get some better pitchers
And its not all on the pen, we could use some upgrade to the rotation -- hope some of these kids can be better than Julio and Gausman, those two guys stink
As far as I am concerned, from what we see the rebuild is not over -- we got lucky last yr but not so lucky this yr
And Kimbrel is not walking through that door like it or not - better luck in 2020
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 28, 2019 16:57:03 GMT -5
Perhaps it’s a clear indicator that those who voted know a whole lot more about what’s actually going on than you do. Actually, to me it's more of an indication that sports is a lot like other institutions where who you are is more important than what you do. AA getting executive of the year is akin to Barack Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize as far as I'm concerned. You can defend him all you want. You have the miss understanding that I'm defending him. I'm not happy that he has not addressed the bullpen yet. But I have clearly said many times that we also have no way of knowing what's going on behind the scenes. We know zero of that. You have flat out called him a liar and flat out accused him of not trying to fix the team. Just because moves haven't been made does not mean he hasn't tried, and I'd like to see evidence that proves he hasn't tried. There is none because we have no way of knowing.
And who is AA that he would get preferential treatment? What clout does he carry?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 28, 2019 17:49:54 GMT -5
The other thing I'd point out again--more than half the teams in baseball are having major bullpen issues, and not one of them are making any earth shattering moves to fix that. It would seem reasonable to me to assume that's because the asking price for a good reliever right now is through the roof.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:37:52 GMT -5
Blevins is not a bad pitcher - has not had a bad career
Decent ERA, SO's and a couple of yrs he had a low WHIP in the 1.07 range
And they gave up nothing for him so who knows?
He can't be any worse than Minter
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 29, 2019 13:53:11 GMT -5
Blevins is not a bad pitcher - has not had a bad career Decent ERA, SO's and a couple of yrs he had a low WHIP in the 1.07 range And they gave up nothing for him so who knows? He can't be any worse than Minter He's a decent middle reliever. So, in the pen, as far as dependable relievers, we basically have:
CL - TBD SU - TBD SU - TBD MR - Jackson MR - Blevins MR - TBD MR - TBD LR - Tomlin
You have a little work to do there, AA
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 14:05:18 GMT -5
Blevins is not a bad pitcher - has not had a bad career Decent ERA, SO's and a couple of yrs he had a low WHIP in the 1.07 range And they gave up nothing for him so who knows? He can't be any worse than Minter He's a decent middle reliever. So, in the pen, as far as dependable relievers, we basically have:
CL - TBD SU - TBD SU - TBD MR - Jackson MR - Blevins MR - TBD MR - TBD LR - Tomlin
You have a little work to do there, AA
Absolutely, Blevins is not the cure all but a decent piece in the puzzle What is crazy is that Sobotka and Minter do have some ability but man they are frustrating to watch - they did look like they were legit at times last season but something happened this time around
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 29, 2019 14:22:22 GMT -5
He's a decent middle reliever. So, in the pen, as far as dependable relievers, we basically have:
CL - TBD SU - TBD SU - TBD MR - Jackson MR - Blevins MR - TBD MR - TBD LR - Tomlin
You have a little work to do there, AA
Absolutely, Blevins is not the cure all but a decent piece in the puzzle What is crazy is that Sobotka and Minter do have some ability but man they are frustrating to watch - they did look like they were legit at times last season but something happened this time around If we were to get some actual bonafide ML relievers for the 8th and 9th, you could slot Sobotka and Minter into those MR spots and suddenly, our pen doesn't look bad.
Say, hypothetically, we sign Kimbrel, get Watson or Smith from SF and let's say, Givens from Baltimore
CL Kimbrel SU Givens SU Smith or Watson MR Jackson MR Blevins MR Sobotka MR Minter LR Tomlin
Suddenly, our pen goes from being a weakness to a strength and we actually have a good chance at winning this division. MR
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 29, 2019 14:57:12 GMT -5
Absolutely, Blevins is not the cure all but a decent piece in the puzzle What is crazy is that Sobotka and Minter do have some ability but man they are frustrating to watch - they did look like they were legit at times last season but something happened this time around If we were to get some actual bonafide ML relievers for the 8th and 9th, you could slot Sobotka and Minter into those MR spots and suddenly, our pen doesn't look bad.
Say, hypothetically, we sign Kimbrel, get Watson or Smith from SF and let's say, Givens from Baltimore
CL Kimbrel SU Givens SU Smith or Watson MR Jackson MR Blevins MR Sobotka MR Minter LR Tomlin
Suddenly, our pen goes from being a weakness to a strength and we actually have a good chance at winning this division. MR
Have you noticed nobody is fixing their pen? The asking prices are outrageous. Not realistic to add what you want to add.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 29, 2019 15:13:39 GMT -5
If we were to get some actual bonafide ML relievers for the 8th and 9th, you could slot Sobotka and Minter into those MR spots and suddenly, our pen doesn't look bad.
Say, hypothetically, we sign Kimbrel, get Watson or Smith from SF and let's say, Givens from Baltimore
CL Kimbrel SU Givens SU Smith or Watson MR Jackson MR Blevins MR Sobotka MR Minter LR Tomlin
Suddenly, our pen goes from being a weakness to a strength and we actually have a good chance at winning this division. MR
Have you noticed nobody is fixing their pen? The asking prices are outrageous. Not realistic to add what you want to add. You get what you pay for. If we want to keep shopping in the clearance rack then we will not see the kind of improvement that we will need to see in the pen to legitimately contend.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 29, 2019 15:26:10 GMT -5
Have you noticed nobody is fixing their pen? The asking prices are outrageous. Not realistic to add what you want to add. You get what you pay for. If we want to keep shopping in the clearance rack then we will not see the kind of improvement that we will need to see in the pen to legitimately contend.
It’s not about shopping from the clearance rack at all. I have brought this up over and over and neither you or keystone will answer the simple question—why are no other teams addressing their bullpen when over half the teams are having major problems? Because the price for good relievers is unreasonable right now. If Givens, Watson, Smith and others like that could be had reasonably, do you seriously not think somebody would have done it already? Or do we have 15-18 teams who seriously need bullpen help but they’re all shopping in the clearance aisle?
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 29, 2019 15:45:26 GMT -5
You get what you pay for. If we want to keep shopping in the clearance rack then we will not see the kind of improvement that we will need to see in the pen to legitimately contend.
It’s not about shopping from the clearance rack at all. I have brought this up over and over and neither you or keystone will answer the simple question—why are no other teams addressing their bullpen when over half the teams are having major problems? Because the price for good relievers is unreasonable right now. If Givens, Watson, Smith and others like that could be had reasonably, do you seriously not think somebody would have done it already? Or do we have 15-18 teams who seriously need bullpen help but they’re all shopping in the clearance aisle? "Reasonably" is a subjective term. We have a surplus of prospect talent .... and I'm not talking about guys like Pache or Riley ... but we don't seem to be willing to part with any of them.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 29, 2019 16:02:57 GMT -5
It’s not about shopping from the clearance rack at all. I have brought this up over and over and neither you or keystone will answer the simple question—why are no other teams addressing their bullpen when over half the teams are having major problems? Because the price for good relievers is unreasonable right now. If Givens, Watson, Smith and others like that could be had reasonably, do you seriously not think somebody would have done it already? Or do we have 15-18 teams who seriously need bullpen help but they’re all shopping in the clearance aisle? "Reasonably" is a subjective term. We have a surplus of prospect talent .... and I'm not talking about guys like Pache or Riley ... but we don't seem to be willing to part with any of them. And how do you know that other teams are willing to accept our lesser prospects in exchange for good relievers? If that was the case, would they not also be willing to accept lesser prospects from other teams as well? And if so, wouldn’t moves have been made by now? This is just another avoidance of the clear fact that the asking prices for these relievers is way out of line. Its obviously crossed into a zone of insanity to give what t takes right now or all these good relievers would have been moved by now. Try to look at all the teams in baseball not adding relievers, not just us. There’s a very valid reason.
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