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Post by keystone61 on Apr 21, 2019 11:31:05 GMT -5
I shudder to think what the Braves would have had to give up to beat that deal. Riley and Wright and something else of decent value from what I recall. For two stinking years of JTR. But will Riley and Wright ever amount to anything? They're both struggling right now, whereas Realmuto is a known commodity. Both of them might become all-star players, but both might also flop. Realmuto is already an all-star. You have to take risks, and AA appears to me to be a bit too risk averse. We shall see.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 21, 2019 12:01:30 GMT -5
Riley and Wright and something else of decent value from what I recall. For two stinking years of JTR. But will Riley and Wright ever amount to anything? They're both struggling right now, whereas Realmuto is a known commodity. Both of them might become all-star players, but both might also flop. Realmuto is already an all-star. You have to take risks, and AA appears to me to be a bit too risk averse. We shall see. I disagree and I explained in detail why in the game day discussion last night through several different posts. It doesn’t mean I’m right or that AA is right, I just understand why he’s hanging onto the prospects. Odds are really good that Riley and Wright are going to be really good major league players. 5 years of JTR would have made the risk worth taking to me but not 2 years.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 21, 2019 12:03:06 GMT -5
Imagine if we had traded Ozzie and Folty for two years of some player.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 21, 2019 12:13:27 GMT -5
Imagine if we had traded Ozzie and Folty for two years of some player. Depends on the player and where your team is in terms of championship aspirations. What if "some player" were Max Scherzer? I think last year proved the importance of having a true ace starter in the postseason. At some point, you have to decide whether you want to be in playoff contention, or whether you want to win the big one. The GAPOZ/Folty scenario doesn't wash, because we were in a different place as an organization at that time. It also depends on who you have behind them in your organization. In other words, there are a number of factors involved. Again, my main gripe with AA is the fact that he did nothing about the bullpen. Well, that and the fact that he's a double-talking suit.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 21, 2019 12:47:19 GMT -5
Imagine if we had traded Ozzie and Folty for two years of some player. Depends on the player and where your team is in terms of championship aspirations. What if "some player" were Max Scherzer? I think last year proved the importance of having a true ace starter in the postseason. At some point, you have to decide whether you want to be in playoff contention, or whether you want to win the big one. The GAPOZ/Folty scenario doesn't wash, because we were in a different place as an organization at that time. It also depends on who you have behind them in your organization. In other words, there are a number of factors involved. Again, my main gripe with AA is the fact that he did nothing about the bullpen. Well, that and the fact that he's a double-talking suit. I would agree if you are a top ten payroll team, then you can take a chance like that. It's usually an act of desperation that doesn't pay off. But for the high dollar teams so what, they can just go buy other top aces or players. For us it doesn't work that way. And we wouldn't have gotten Scherzer for Ozzie and Folty, we would have had to cough up way more than that. And is our team really that close to being competitive with the top 3 teams in all of baseball? Would 2 years of Scherzer put us there right now? I don't think so. He was the ace for a loaded Gnats team for several years and they couldn't win a first round series.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 21, 2019 13:02:57 GMT -5
I really wish MLB had a hard salary cap to make things fair for more teams. I hate the way things are, it's terribly unfair and it sucks. I hate it. I'm just willing to accept that as long as things are the way they are, we're playing a different game than the top salaried teams. We have to be smart to try to keep up with them on the field. Building through the farm system and wise personnel decisions are the only way to do that. Risks are things that have to be very calculated for us. That's why I didn't like the JD signing. For the health risks involved. Hell, I didn't think there was any way he'd be healthy and then struggle, that just adds to the frustration.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 21, 2019 13:09:45 GMT -5
I don't think that our management is adverse to spending some money or making some trades, they just haven't found the deals they want for whatever reason. It's easy for us to speculate, but we don't have to be held responsible if a bad deal is made. If we make moves and they blow up in our face, we're just screwed. For a long time. We can't go out and spend endless money to fix it. I'm confident they are looking for ways to improve our team and will continue to do that until they find the right deals that suit them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 16:28:25 GMT -5
What would Wright and Riley really bring back in return
Also, its a fair question to think that maybe our system might be overrated
Most of what the Braves have to move is pitching and as I have said before, young unproven pitching with some rare exception is a dime a dozen
This day in time every system has guys who throw 90 plus, some cases 95 plus that have yet to be tested at the top end
90 plus mph used to mean something, don't mean anything anymore with the changes in the game
What would we get for Allard, Newcomb, Gohara, Wentz, anyway, best bet might be to stick it out with the guys in the system and see what they have - No one seems to be lining up to get our guys for their system or team anyway
Pitchers today are like special teamers in football, all replaceable interchangeable parts - there are not very many real good or great young pitchers in the game today and some guys who got extended for 30 plus mil a yr are not living up to the contract for various reasons
Even Clayton Kershaw who was great does not live up to it anymore - and De Grom and Sale are struggling after they just get extended
I don't envy pitching coaches and GM's this day in time - has to be a frustrating job
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 21, 2019 17:21:17 GMT -5
I agree on the hard salary cap. I disagree that we can't handle $175-$200 million in payroll. I think our management likes to play the poor mouthing game.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 21, 2019 17:45:16 GMT -5
I agree on the hard salary cap. I disagree that we can't handle $175-$200 million in payroll. I think our management likes to play the poor mouthing game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 9:32:39 GMT -5
I agree on the hard salary cap. I disagree that we can't handle $175-$200 million in payroll. I think our management likes to play the poor mouthing game. Having a low 100's kind of payroll does put less pressure to succeed For the Braves payroll they are not getting bad results since last yr 12-11 record so far, .522 winning percentage which is around what I expect of them this yr And, one of the prospects in Fried is looking like he is truly ready. Got to see more a sample size though And possibly Soroka (his health is needed) - we did see a glimpse last yr -- more sample size needed. Looked like he can handle getting out of trouble at a young age We might get to the 175-200 mil mark in the late 20's - when that TV deal is up and we have only 8 yrs, it will expire each yr is closer and closer to that And Acuna is under team control through the rest of this lousy TV deal -- that was genius
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 27, 2019 21:24:15 GMT -5
That bullpen you saw tonight was produced by your executive of the year. What a fulking joke. Executive of the year my ass. He'd be looking for a job if I were his boss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 21:36:00 GMT -5
That bullpen you saw tonight was produced by your executive of the year. What a fulking joke. Executive of the year my ass. He'd be looking for a job if I were his boss. Not going to disagree with you anymore -- enough is enough 12-14 -- what a joke - season over so to hell with it One thing is proven is that AJ Minter has no business as a major league closer & its highly questionable he belongs in MLB And Stinkler well, he would be DFA'ed immediately - I have had enough with those who keep playing the patience card. At this point I don't even care about next yr - if these billionaires who own the team do not care why should I? This team is a failure Its to the point I am just a baseball fan and am finding watching other teams I have no emotion for more enjoyable, but have to give the Rox credit for taking advantage of the most incompetent relief core in baseball history I just hope Minter gets released ASAP he deserves to be disqualified from future competition. If I were a GM I would prefer Jim Johnson or Tyler Clippard than this scrub - potential my ass
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 27, 2019 21:44:12 GMT -5
The season ain't over but AA has let the team and the fans down big-time with this mess of a pen.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 28, 2019 7:32:04 GMT -5
The season ain't over but AA has let the team and the fans down big-time with this mess of a pen. Hopefully the new GM will actually address the team’s needs this coming offseason.
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