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Post by Drkirby on Feb 28, 2019 22:36:43 GMT -5
The dodgers wanted to go 4 years 45 M per.... I think I’d have took that and walked away...but I think philly is an utter sh1thole and I’d never commit 13 years of my life to that cesspile
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Post by bravter on Feb 28, 2019 22:42:07 GMT -5
Harpers contract broke down. 26 yrs - 11.5M 27-35 yrs - 27.5M 36-38 yrs - 23.5M The way baseball is going, that's a pretty good gamble for a team who looked like they weren't going anywhere and can afford the risk. He'll at least hit them a lot of homeruns in that little league park. I hope his defense bites him in the arse. They're committing $235M to him between his age 30 and age 39 seasons. A guy who has already had injury issues throughout his career.
There's no way this can be broken down to make me think it was wise in any way.
This is going to be by far the most laughed at contract in the entire history of sports.
I'm just saying from the Phillies pov it's a good gamble. Listening to you and likemancommeth argue with Hollins the past couple years made me think the farm is overrated. I think Pujols contract is one of the worst contracts of all time. Plus he'll be 38 through the regular season at the end of the contract. 13 years from now what will 23.5M be worth in WAR? Like 17 - 18M in todays money. If he gets really bad on defense he can always convert to 1st base. For the Braves I think it's good they tied themselves up in a huge gamble, but it's not like they're risking 32M that extra 5M could help them go a long way. I hope he stays a club house cancer and his WAR stays 1 - 2 range, but for the life of me I can't lie at the Phillies situation. I hope you're right. What other everyday player were they going to get in FA that would be willing to sign with them? It took Harper this long, I don't see many top tier FA thinking Phillies would look like a great place to win a championship.
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Post by mauibravefan on Feb 28, 2019 22:50:03 GMT -5
Maybe they’ll have enough stupid money for Trout next year hmmmmmm
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Post by bravter on Feb 28, 2019 23:06:50 GMT -5
Maybe they’ll have enough stupid money for Trout next year hmmmmmm Trout becomes a FA in 2021. I don't know if waiting until he's 29 to be a FA is the smartest thing for him, but he's still not showing any signs of slowing down.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 28, 2019 23:32:23 GMT -5
They're committing $235M to him between his age 30 and age 39 seasons. A guy who has already had injury issues throughout his career.
There's no way this can be broken down to make me think it was wise in any way.
This is going to be by far the most laughed at contract in the entire history of sports.
I'm just saying from the Phillies pov it's a good gamble. Listening to you and likemancommeth argue with Hollins the past couple years made me think the farm is overrated. I think Pujols contract is one of the worst contracts of all time. Plus he'll be 38 through the regular season at the end of the contract. 13 years from now what will 23.5M be worth in WAR? Like 17 - 18M in todays money. If he gets really bad on defense he can always convert to 1st base. For the Braves I think it's good they tied themselves up in a huge gamble, but it's not like they're risking 32M that extra 5M could help them go a long way. I hope he stays a club house cancer and his WAR stays 1 - 2 range, but for the life of me I can't lie at the Phillies situation. I hope you're right. What other everyday player were they going to get in FA that would be willing to sign with them? It took Harper this long, I don't see many top tier FA thinking Phillies would look like a great place to win a championship. One thought I have is that I don't think money is going to continue to escalate in the game. NASCAR completely destroyed itself tying to expand on the huge money it was making. Baseball already has plenty of signs that we are either living in the best of times for the game moneywise or we're already on the downside of the good old days. Attendance was below 70 million for the first time in 15 years, the younger generation has no interest in the game, and most middle aged and older fans see the game now as a bunch of whiny millionaire players and billionaire owners who are headed towards another strike, probably a disastrous one no matter how it comes out (if it happens). Inner city kids aren't playing baseball at all....there's a lot of financial issues facing the game.
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Post by bravter on Mar 1, 2019 0:01:00 GMT -5
I'm just saying from the Phillies pov it's a good gamble. Listening to you and likemancommeth argue with Hollins the past couple years made me think the farm is overrated. I think Pujols contract is one of the worst contracts of all time. Plus he'll be 38 through the regular season at the end of the contract. 13 years from now what will 23.5M be worth in WAR? Like 17 - 18M in todays money. If he gets really bad on defense he can always convert to 1st base. For the Braves I think it's good they tied themselves up in a huge gamble, but it's not like they're risking 32M that extra 5M could help them go a long way. I hope he stays a club house cancer and his WAR stays 1 - 2 range, but for the life of me I can't lie at the Phillies situation. I hope you're right. What other everyday player were they going to get in FA that would be willing to sign with them? It took Harper this long, I don't see many top tier FA thinking Phillies would look like a great place to win a championship. One thought I have is that I don't think money is going to continue to escalate in the game. NASCAR completely destroyed itself tying to expand on the huge money it was making. Baseball already has plenty of signs that we are either living in the best of times for the game moneywise or we're already on the downside of the good old days. Attendance was below 70 million for the first time in 15 years, the younger generation has no interest in the game, and most middle aged and older fans see the game now as a bunch of whiny millionaire players and billionaire owners who are headed towards another strike, probably a disastrous one no matter how it comes out (if it happens). Inner city kids aren't playing baseball at all....there's a lot of financial issues facing the game. Democrats said diversity is our strength though. Gotta love that sly "our strength". Anyways I created that mlb forum lurkers guide tread/link for times like these to get every teams fan's opinion. Phillies fans are mostly optimistic, but not giddy or anything. I was thinking that Harper would fit right in with that jerk town.
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Post by bravter on Mar 1, 2019 1:14:02 GMT -5
Bottom looks more like 13 years in San Francisco.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 7:26:05 GMT -5
I know most of you dislike power rankings, expert predictions, and the like. So what are your thoughts on PECOTA after the Harper signing? I might give the Nats 91 wins and the Braves 83, but that PECOTA projection is not that far off Of course we might see any of the teams make moves as the season goes on, it is a 4 team race for sure as it looks now
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 1, 2019 10:20:07 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 1, 2019 11:33:38 GMT -5
They were close on the Phailies, the Mutts, and the Fish (which was pretty easy, actually), buy way off on the Braves and the Gnats.
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Post by smurfbate on Mar 1, 2019 16:13:34 GMT -5
What is with people predicting the Mets above the Braves? What am I missing with them? I still dont think they can score a lot of runs.
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Post by jryanw on Mar 1, 2019 16:24:40 GMT -5
Bottom looks more like 13 years in San Francisco. You have to be familiar with the show to get the joke.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 1, 2019 16:59:02 GMT -5
The mutts added more washed up vets and suddenly they’re a force. The majority of media who cover sports are as ignorant as most fans.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 1, 2019 17:23:32 GMT -5
lol, give it till June or July and they'll be booing him more than ever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:50:08 GMT -5
What is with people predicting the Mets above the Braves? What am I missing with them? I still dont think they can score a lot of runs. I don't think they will be more than a couple of games better but they should not be as bad as last yr I see the Braves with 83 W, maybe the Muts with 85 at the most. Lots of things worked for the Braves last yr, notably the dog of a season the Nats had. That should not happen this yr The Braves got away with that pen last yr, and they were quite healthy for the most part. I hope the injuries to Folty and Gausman are not serious You can argue that the Braves can get past the Muts for 3rd, but at least on paper I see the Nats and Phillies ahead of us now. That can change Should be no more than 10 games separating first through 4th right now
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