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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 8, 2018 13:03:46 GMT -5
Do you understand now why I refer to you as being schizophrenic? I am not trying to be ugly towards you, but your feelings about the Braves are like watching a person stuck on a permanant roller coaster. You have bi-polar fandom. As a sports fan I do not deny that at all -- I am emotional about professional and UGA sports and take every game and play very very seriously In real life at my job, etc., gosh no that is not how I am in real like Bi-Polar fandom - I will not deny that at all. I am having fun with it -- the enjoyment of a win is a mood altering joy. A loss is the Pits of Misery Must win game -- its imperative Newcomb breaks out of it today -- this is a MUST win game for the Braves and a MUST good performance for Newcomb - we need him Still angered about Carter Stewart but hope they do better next yr in the first round I take every game seriously as well, but I also understand there is an ebb and flow to a 162 game schedule. I don't celebrate our division championship with every winning streak, not do I celebrate our demise and need to blow it up with the losing streaks.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 8, 2018 13:20:30 GMT -5
Nobody needs WAR to see that during his time with the Braves, he was a one tool player. It would be even more obvious by the eye test. He couldn't cover much ground in the outfield, he's slow on the bases, doesn't hit for power and has a poor throwing arm--no one needs WAR to have seen that. He's having a great season at the plate, but it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't all that good for us his first three years. OPS is not a hoodoo voodoo sabermetrics stat--it combines on base percentage with slugging percentage--how much better of a tool could someone want, to measure a guy's offensive production? His first three years with us his OPS was .746, .744 and .738. Quite poor for a corner outfielder, especially one who doesn't make up for it with defense, to say the least.
I always feel bad when I talk him down because I think he's a great guy, and I'm sure he's been a good clubhouse guy and teammate, but let's not skew the facts about his real production. I am very grateful that he's hitting the way he is this year, I just wish he would have been closer to this type of player over the last three years too. His OPS is .886 right now. Kudos where they are deserved for that, but trying to cry about WAR misrepresenting his time here in Atlanta is absurd.
I looked at Nick's doubles and RBIS for the past two yrs which have been quite good I value OPS, but more for middle of the lineup 25ish plus HR hitters - and there is no limiting to the value he has to the team as a guy in the clubhouse. He was about ready to club Hart after he dressed down Snitker -- now Nick is a guy who has never been in controversy -- there had to be something to that story - that in of itself makes me respect him as a person and baseball man I think he has been a serviceable player his first 3 yrs here, very good this yr - I do not see him as a replacement level guy no matter what other numbers can be thrown at me. Okay, maybe he was below par the yr he had only 3 HRS, but I have been happy with him ever since Overpaid -- maybe but they should be able to get him for around say, 8 mil for a yr if they bring him back (if they choose not to sign anyone else) Doubles show up in OPS. Using RBIs to measure a players offensive production is just silly, lazy and outdated. That’s been proven. RBIs are too dependent on other players. Go back and compare Jason Heyward and Nick Markakis’s stats with runners on base during their careers. Nick is credited for driving in runs and Heyward criticized for not driving in runs, but Jason has better numbers with runners on base and runners in scoring position.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jul 8, 2018 13:21:25 GMT -5
IMHO Fifty wins at the all star break casts serious incertitude on any pyritic perspectives
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 8, 2018 13:22:47 GMT -5
IMHO Fifty wins at the all star break casts serious incertidue on any pyritic perspectives +1
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 8, 2018 14:59:31 GMT -5
I have thought Nick was a good Brave, but very good this yr. 15 yrs ago - before the foolishness of WAR, he would have been considered a good ballplayer in his time here by nearly anyone. Nobody needs WAR to see that during his time with the Braves, he was a one tool player. It would be even more obvious by the eye test. He couldn't cover much ground in the outfield, he's slow on the bases, doesn't hit for power and has a poor throwing arm--no one needs WAR to have seen that. He's having a great season at the plate, but it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't all that good for us his first three years. OPS is not a hoodoo voodoo sabermetrics stat--it combines on base percentage with slugging percentage--how much better of a tool could someone want, to measure a guy's offensive production? His first three years with us his OPS was .746, .744 and .738. Quite poor for a corner outfielder, especially one who doesn't make up for it with defense, to say the least.
I always feel bad when I talk him down because I think he's a great guy, and I'm sure he's been a good clubhouse guy and teammate, but let's not skew the facts about his real production. I am very grateful that he's hitting the way he is this year, I just wish he would have been closer to this type of player over the last three years too. His OPS is .886 right now. Kudos where they are deserved for that, but trying to cry about WAR misrepresenting his time here in Atlanta is absurd.
the eye test says Markakis is a good defensive Player he catches everything he seems to get to everything and he throws well remember the throw he made to force out the guy at 2nd . I believe that sometimes when a player is just solid people just don't see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 15:37:45 GMT -5
I am starting to have second thoughts on Newcomb -- what the H is wrong with this guy
He was pitching like our ACE that we need and he is stinking up the joint big time -- Its a disgrace
No way he belongs on the ASG this yr
That Simmons deal is one that has not worked -- unless Newcomb gets it right and he is not getting the GD job done
Its falling apart with this pitching it stinks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 15:40:18 GMT -5
I looked at Nick's doubles and RBIS for the past two yrs which have been quite good I value OPS, but more for middle of the lineup 25ish plus HR hitters - and there is no limiting to the value he has to the team as a guy in the clubhouse. He was about ready to club Hart after he dressed down Snitker -- now Nick is a guy who has never been in controversy -- there had to be something to that story - that in of itself makes me respect him as a person and baseball man I think he has been a serviceable player his first 3 yrs here, very good this yr - I do not see him as a replacement level guy no matter what other numbers can be thrown at me. Okay, maybe he was below par the yr he had only 3 HRS, but I have been happy with him ever since Overpaid -- maybe but they should be able to get him for around say, 8 mil for a yr if they bring him back (if they choose not to sign anyone else) Doubles show up in OPS. Using RBIs to measure a players offensive production is just silly, lazy and outdated. That’s been proven. RBIs are too dependent on other players. Go back and compare Jason Heyward and Nick Markakis’s stats with runners on base during their careers. Nick is credited for driving in runs and Heyward criticized for not driving in runs, but Jason has better numbers with runners on base and runners in scoring position. I will keep my RBIS as a measuring stick for a players effectiveness It it was good enough in 1985 its good enough for me -- if you are a run producer you are driving in runs I would take Markakis over the disappointing Hewyard for my liking
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 8, 2018 15:54:31 GMT -5
I am starting to have second thoughts on Newcomb -- what the H is wrong with this guy He was pitching like our ACE that we need and he is stinking up the joint big time -- Its a disgrace No way he belongs on the ASG this yr That Simmons deal is one that has not worked -- unless Newcomb gets it right and he is not getting the GD job done Its falling apart with this pitching it stinks well In Nukes defense the Yankee game he simply couldn't grip the baseball. he had a water hose spraying on him. today I think his confidence is shaken and also I think the ump has a small strike zone which hurts a guy with control issues like Newk. he was pitching well when he was throwing his Change which he seems to have stopped all I am seeing is FB and Curve
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 8, 2018 18:49:37 GMT -5
IMHO Fifty wins at the all star break casts serious incertitude on any pyritic perspectives Thumbs up for making me have to look up two words.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 8, 2018 18:52:08 GMT -5
Doubles show up in OPS. Using RBIs to measure a players offensive production is just silly, lazy and outdated. That’s been proven. RBIs are too dependent on other players. Go back and compare Jason Heyward and Nick Markakis’s stats with runners on base during their careers. Nick is credited for driving in runs and Heyward criticized for not driving in runs, but Jason has better numbers with runners on base and runners in scoring position. I will keep my RBIS as a measuring stick for a players effectiveness It it was good enough in 1985 its good enough for me -- if you are a run producer you are driving in runs I would take Markakis over the disappointing Hewyard for my liking You know what else was good enough in 1985? Laser Disc, and then something else came along that was better.
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Post by Drkirby on Jul 8, 2018 19:41:07 GMT -5
I’m ready to Cement and double down on ALL of my statements about Dansbum.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 8, 2018 19:42:44 GMT -5
I will keep my RBIS as a measuring stick for a players effectiveness It it was good enough in 1985 its good enough for me -- if you are a run producer you are driving in runs I would take Markakis over the disappointing Hewyard for my liking You know what else was good enough in 1985? Laser Disc, and then something else came along that was better. Bah, why pay any attention to new and better inventions and ideas?
Personally I never fly on airplanes, I will only go on dirigibles. I loved them and they are the best way to fly.
Don't try to use any facts to prove me wrong, I'll just ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 16:16:55 GMT -5
They did stop the flow of blood today with the W just before the All Star Break
We saw the good Julio today and the pen did its job
It was a MUST W after that 2-8 stretch and vs a team they will be competing against for the WC in case they are not good enough to take the division
That is good -- now after the ASG, the one thing they need is for AJ Minter to grow into the closers job
Viz is having a hard time staying healthy this yr - cannot really rely on him now
When Julio is good he can be really good -- it can be a good 4 in the rotation with Newcomb when he is right, Folty seems to have figured MLB out and how do you not acknowledge what Sanchez has done
One thing they cannot do is have another 2-8 kind of run right after the break -- than happens then it might be fools gold
And the lineup has to be more consistent than its been these past 10 games -- its been good most of the yr
This was a desparate must W game and they got the job done -- cannot underestimate the importance of todays game
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 16:19:27 GMT -5
BTW who is the logical closer if Viz just cannot get right after the break -- he is injured too much
Minter does not have the experience but the best closer stuff
Winkler -- he was going good for a time
Cannot see Freeman or Carle in that role
Or, do you get someone
I see MInter as the closer for next yr cause I dont think they will spend big
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 15, 2018 17:18:09 GMT -5
BTW who is the logical closer if Viz just cannot get right after the break -- he is injured too much Minter does not have the experience but the best closer stuff Winkler -- he was going good for a time Cannot see Freeman or Carle in that role Or, do you get someone I see MInter as the closer for next yr cause I dont think they will spend big Not sure about closer, but I think Jesse Biddle will be an important cog in our pen by season’s end.
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