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Post by bravesfanmatt on Apr 30, 2018 5:53:03 GMT -5
And you guys are spell Bustista wrong.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 30, 2018 5:55:03 GMT -5
Wouldn't BABIP naturally be higher for guys who make a lot of contact, though? ie, don't strike out very much. BABiP is only for balls in play. Doesn’t care about strikeouts. Homeruns either. Ah. Therefore, BABIP is inflated for guys who strike out a lot.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Apr 30, 2018 6:07:24 GMT -5
BABiP is only for balls in play. Doesn’t care about strikeouts. Homeruns either. Ah. Therefore, BABIP is inflated for guys who strike out a lot. I not sure I follow. Things like line drive % and speed would play more in this.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 30, 2018 11:12:05 GMT -5
Ah. Therefore, BABIP is inflated for guys who strike out a lot. I not sure I follow. Things like line drive % and speed would play more in this. If a guy strikes out a lot, that would mean his balls in play percentage is lower than for guys who don't strike out as much, correct? Therefore, wouldn't you expect that those guys have a higher BABIP, or otherwise, they would be sent packing?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 30, 2018 12:15:25 GMT -5
I not sure I follow. Things like line drive % and speed would play more in this. If a guy strikes out a lot, that would mean his balls in play percentage is lower than for guys who don't strike out as much, correct? Therefore, wouldn't you expect that those guys have a higher BABIP, or otherwise, they would be sent packing? BABIP measures batting average only for balls that are put into play. It totally disregards strikeouts.
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Post by Drkirby on Apr 30, 2018 14:49:17 GMT -5
WHO has more homers this year, camargo or Bautista? I’ll wait. Also who’s been humiliated with a right hook at second base? Dump that bum Bautista.
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Post by Drkirby on Apr 30, 2018 14:49:43 GMT -5
I’d rather watch chipper come out of retirement.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 30, 2018 15:17:52 GMT -5
WHO has more homers this year, camargo or Bautista? I’ll wait. Also who’s been humiliated with a right hook at second base? Dump that bum Bautista. Epic.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 30, 2018 15:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah... the BiP part of BABIP is Balls in Play, so it only judges the balls that are put in play and has zero to do with strikeouts.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 30, 2018 18:44:52 GMT -5
Just FTR.... I think Bautista is hitting around .200 at Gwinnett with no HR
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Post by peteorr on Apr 30, 2018 18:54:19 GMT -5
I felt the Braves were being irresponsible and lowballing Bautista. Bautista has been a really good player in the past. Rumor is that he received better offers. I really expected the offers to be so much higher than the Braves' $1M offer that he would have no other choice than to sign with another team. I guess the Braves were right to offer him so little. Now the Braves won't even be paying Bautista $1M if he doesn't reach the major league team.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 30, 2018 19:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah... the BiP part of BABIP is Balls in Play, so it only judges the balls that are put in play and has zero to do with strikeouts. AGAIN, I completely understand that BABIP disregards strikeouts. Strikeouts are useless outs which do nothing to help a team win games. My point is, wouldn't it seem logical that guys with high strikeout totals would need to have a higher BABIP in order to hold down a job at the major league level since they make more useless outs? I suppose I could research it if and when I am inclined to do so.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 30, 2018 20:35:42 GMT -5
BABiP isn't used that way at all.
It just seeks to point out if a player is unfortunately hitting a lot of balls right at people, or if they are being lucky with their balls finding holes. If BABiP is abnormally high then a players batting average will probably come down when it normalizes. If a players BABiP is abnormally low then you can forgive a low batting average. He's just been hitting balls that are finding gloves at an unlucky rate and their BA will probably rise when those things even out over the course of the season. It's actually a good tool for judging pitchers who are having lucky or unlucky seasons.
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Post by peteorr on Apr 30, 2018 21:18:44 GMT -5
Jose Bautista tonight in Triple-A: 1-for-4 with a single, walk and three strikeouts. Batting .207 for Gwinnett w/ 1 double, 5 walks, 8 K’s in 29 at-bats
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Post by keystone61 on May 1, 2018 11:39:42 GMT -5
BABiP isn't used that way at all. It just seeks to point out if a player is unfortunately hitting a lot of balls right at people, or if they are being lucky with their balls finding holes. If BABiP is abnormally high then a players batting average will probably come down when it normalizes. If a players BABiP is abnormally low then you can forgive a low batting average. He's just been hitting balls that are finding gloves at an unlucky rate and their BA will probably rise when those things even out over the course of the season. It's actually a good tool for judging pitchers who are having lucky or unlucky seasons. I see it also excludes homers. Interesting. Dansbo has been on a high BABIP this season. In fact, he has been skewed either high or low ever since he got to Atlanta. Inciarte is right around .330 for his career. Hopefully, Swanson can settle into a similar range. Thanks for the info.
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