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Post by keystone61 on Nov 26, 2021 10:10:00 GMT -5
In Game 6, I was watching Garcia for Houston constantly messing with his hair. I’m thinking damm bro, really? Point being, the hair was obviously a distraction. A few moments later, BOOM goes the baseball (which was, of course, beautiful). Maybe I just can’t relate. I tried longer hair for a brief period of time in my youth and hated it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 26, 2021 13:50:30 GMT -5
I always think the guys have a substance in their hair when they keep playing with it all the time.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 26, 2021 13:58:50 GMT -5
Chipper did an interview recently on Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s podcast and said if he was a pitcher he would put the substance on the outside of his jersey on the bottom of his cup because no umpire would check there.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 27, 2021 10:29:36 GMT -5
The mutts have gone nuts with free agency. Marte, Canha, and Eduardo Escobar in a day. I'm skeered.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 27, 2021 10:37:23 GMT -5
Random trade idea -- I've been reading lots of articles about what it would take to get rid of Ozuna's contract. Here's one I think *might* work, curiouos of the board's perspective:
Marcell Ozuna Tucker Davidson William Contreras
for
Josh Donaldson
If we were able to pull that off, and somehow resign Freddie and Rosario (probably an unrealistic expectation of our payroll, but who knows), that'd be a pretty amazing offense, with lots of flex in the DH spot to rotate Freddie, Riley, and Donaldson, and then start shuffling the outfielders around as necessary:
Eventual Lineup 1. RF (R) Acuna 2. LF (L) Rosario 3. 1B (L) Freeman 4. 3B (R) Riley 5. DH (R) Donaldson 6. 2B (S) Albies 7. CF (R) Duvall 8. C (R) d'Arnaud 9. SS (R) Swanson
And if we can't afford Rosario as a consequence, I suppose this would be pretty solid:
Eventual Lineup 1. RF (R) Acuna 2. 1B (L) Freeman 3. 3B (R) Riley 4. DH (R) Donaldson 5. 2B (S) Albies 6. CF (R) Duvall 7. C (R) d'Arnaud 8. SS (R) Swanson 9. CF (L) Pache
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 27, 2021 12:10:03 GMT -5
I really don't wanna be on the hook for $45 or whatever million for a brittle 36-year-old Donaldson, although it could work if the NL gets the DH as expected. It's risky AND expensive, though. Seems to me a Rosario deal would be more practical. He's probably open to a 3/$30 or 4/$40 type of deal.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 27, 2021 15:00:24 GMT -5
You're thinking resign Rosario and just live with Ozuna's contract, maybe eventually just release him?
I think we'll likely see an 81 to 162 game suspension in 2022, so we'd recoup at least half his 2022 salary in that scenario, but then we're on the hook for the whole thing in 2023/2024. I just hate the thought of having that much money tied up in someone we won't even let be on the roster.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 27, 2021 15:08:36 GMT -5
Maybe to say it differently, Donaldson has 3/$58M left on his deal, or 2/$50M if we pay the $8M buyout in 2024.
Ozuna has 4/$64M left, or 3/$49M if we pay the buyout. Donaldson's obviously the more expensive of the two, but only marginally ... $9M spread across 3 years. I think even if he was only a part-time player for us, that might be worth it, as it's basically a delta-salary of $3M annually, which is easily what an accomplished bench player would make.
Of course, if we save $8M on Ozuna's 2022 salary, I guess that makes him 3/$41M, so the math gets a little less favorable there.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2021 15:37:41 GMT -5
I would be all in favor of that deal if we could swing it, Donaldson had a pretty good season this year and it gets rid of wife beater.
I'd be concerned about the money side of having JD, Freddie and Rosario but would do it, especially if we could use JD as a DH most of the time.
The other money factor is there will surely be an extension for Dansby, and I would expect it to possibly happen before the 2022 season starts just to avoid this crap we went through with Freddie not knowing during this season.
I do think it's also an option to reach a settlement with the wife beater and just buy him out. Based on past situations I don't think he'll get much of a suspension from MLB. If the felony charges hadn't been dropped it would be a whole different thing, but that changed things dramatically. They're likely to consider the games he missed this year as time off already served. I would think if we offered him a payout of half of his remaining contract he should take it. He screwed us and he should be happy to get $24M or so out of it and move on and sign with someone else.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 27, 2021 16:59:19 GMT -5
The problem is he, like Bauer, was paid fully while on admin leave this year. So even though he didn't play for us in 2021, he still collected his full paycheck. So MLB would look at a suspension more as a financial punitive measure, as the games already missed had no negative financial consequence to him. I'd love to negotiate a buyout, but I'm sure his agent knows the worst case for him is to lose his pro-rated pay for however long his suspension is, and then he's guaranteed the rest of his contract, whether the Braves play him or not. So while it would be noble for him to negotiate a buyout, he has all the leverage, and the Braves have none
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 17:25:47 GMT -5
The mutts have gone nuts with free agency. Marte, Canha, and Eduardo Escobar in a day. I'm skeered. I like what the Mutts have done. More of the same result wise and cannot happen to a nicer fan base or city
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2021 17:46:26 GMT -5
The problem is he, like Bauer, was paid fully while on admin leave this year. So even though he didn't play for us in 2021, he still collected his full paycheck. So MLB would look at a suspension more as a financial punitive measure, as the games already missed had no negative financial consequence to him. I'd love to negotiate a buyout, but I'm sure his agent knows the worst case for him is to lose his pro-rated pay for however long his suspension is, and then he's guaranteed the rest of his contract, whether the Braves play him or not. So while it would be noble for him to negotiate a buyout, he has all the leverage, and the Braves have none I would think the leverage we have would be to tell him he's not going to ever wear a Braves uniform ever again even if we have to pay his full contract. If he wants to actually play then he needs to settle. Whatever he gives up in the settlement he can make up by signing with someone else. But I don't really know how hard the Braves stance is going to be on that, I can only hope they're willing to go that route if they have to.
I do wish they'd get on with things though, this has already been dragged out way too long.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 27, 2021 17:55:15 GMT -5
I don't actually think the Braves have that leverage though. As part of the MBLPA, I believe he has a lot of rights. For example, assuming he's suspended for half of 2021, once his suspension is over he'd have to agree to a AAA assignment, as he has no player options left. Assuming he's agreeable to that simply to go work off some rust, after a limited amount of time he'd be entitled to a Braves 26-man roster spot, or the Braves would be forced to release him, paying his full salary and allowing him to sign with any other team he likes. They couldn't simply say we'll pay you, but never put you on the active roster and never release you, so you can't sign with another team. Nor can they not pay him once his suspension is over. The team really has very little leverage in this situation.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2021 18:15:52 GMT -5
I don't actually think the Braves have that leverage though. As part of the MBLPA, I believe he has a lot of rights. For example, assuming he's suspended for half of 2021, once his suspension is over he'd have to agree to a AAA assignment, as he has no player options left. Assuming he's agreeable to that simply to go work off some rust, after a limited amount of time he'd be entitled to a Braves 26-man roster spot, or the Braves would be forced to release him, paying his full salary and allowing him to sign with any other team he likes. They couldn't simply say we'll pay you, but never put you on the active roster and never release you, so you can't sign with another team. Nor can they not pay him once his suspension is over. The team really has very little leverage in this situation. So he is entitled to a spot on the active 26 man roster when his suspension is over? That's a crying shame, that sure gives an undeserving player a right they shouldn't have. I believe the players should have a lot of rights within the parameters of the game itself so teams can do them dirty, but once they commit crimes and legal issues arise that should make a huge difference. It's a tough call, the full contract is a lot of money to just pay him and write off and make him take a hike. It increases the need to find some kind of trade even if we take a beating in the trade. To me he should still man up and try to reach a settlement, for him to commit the crime and still take all the money and then sign somewhere else would be a super dirty thing to do. I would assume to some degree he has to try to not look like a massive a-hole to other teams and their fan bases. Who would want a guy that did the crime then took the full contract and walked? He could be black balled from the game if he did that.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 27, 2021 18:41:13 GMT -5
No one is ever entitled to a roster spot. I don't know where you came up with that, and I'm not sure the Braves paid Ozuna's full salary for 2021,either, but that's probably easy enough to find out. As for the roster spot, a team can cut a guy loose anytime the team wants. They have to meet their financial obligations to said player, but that's it.
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