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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 27, 2021 7:44:39 GMT -5
Yep... all the pitches looked identical coming out of their hands.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 27, 2021 8:17:08 GMT -5
Yep. That was pitching. Don Sutton put it best when he said that hitting was all about timing and pitching was all about throwing off that timing. Maddux and Glavine were masters at it. Glavine worked away, away, away. Seemed everything was away and he wouldn't cave. Maddux had freakish command and threw mostly fastballs that he could make go any direction he wanted. Nothing straight. In essence, its about instruction and pitching development. Begins in the low minors. It is not making the game better, maybe longer and we see the parade of pitching changes but not the game that had continuity to it There was a time fans would pay to see certain matchups. I am not sure there is that much an incentive to train pitchers to go deeper in the games cause of the rush to get guys up. And the powers that be just do not know how to develop the kind of pitchers we once used to pay to see. Its as if they are all replacable parts save for a select few. I won't argue your point about how pitchers aren't taught anymore like they used to be, but you don't teach guys to be Maddux or Glavine. A LOT of that is innate. Those guys were smart and their competitive drive was off the charts. They don't grow on trees.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 27, 2021 9:15:33 GMT -5
In essence, its about instruction and pitching development. Begins in the low minors. It is not making the game better, maybe longer and we see the parade of pitching changes but not the game that had continuity to it There was a time fans would pay to see certain matchups. I am not sure there is that much an incentive to train pitchers to go deeper in the games cause of the rush to get guys up. And the powers that be just do not know how to develop the kind of pitchers we once used to pay to see. Its as if they are all replacable parts save for a select few. I won't argue your point about how pitchers aren't taught anymore like they used to be, but you don't teach guys to be Maddux or Glavine. A LOT of that is innate. Those guys were smart and their competitive drive was off the charts. They don't grow on trees. At the same time most modern day pitchers would be better if they understood how to actually pitch. They won’t be hall of famers but they would be more effective. Look at a guy like Soroka, he isn’t overpowering but he understands the art. And at a very young age. What I don’t get is that stuff can be learned, you don’t have to have elite stuff to learn the tricks, but it’s not being taught. Baffling. Like all fundamentals. Just no longer in the game and it makes zero sense to me.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 27, 2021 9:31:10 GMT -5
You're right about fundamentals. A lot of the players now don't have a clue how to run the bases. It's stunning.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 27, 2021 9:32:54 GMT -5
It doesn't particularly relate to the braves, but the ass birds blew a 7-3 lead to the pirates, whom don't know how to baseball after allowing them to score 8 runs in the bottom of the 7th. Now losing 11-7 top 9th. Always good to see those jerk birds flounder. I have hated them since that 2012 WC game when we got screwed over by Sam Holbrook. Worst call ever And my hate for them doubled two yrs ago with the girlie man Helsley thing. It sure was a bad call and I was furious for weeks after. But, that ahole Kent Hrbek in a World Series game PUSHING Ron Gant off 1st base and then the UMP calling Ron Gant OUT made my blood boil for months.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 27, 2021 10:08:13 GMT -5
You're right about fundamentals. A lot of the players now don't have a clue how to run the bases. It's stunning. You can look at every aspect of the game, and MLB players don’t understand any fundamentals. They don’t hit the cutoff man, they throw to the wrong base, they don’t communicate on fly balls and pop ups, very few know how to bunt, the list goes on and on. And I don’t understand why coaches wouldn’t want to actually coach and make their players and teams better. Sometimes it’s like watching 8 year old kids play. A third base coach will send a runner home when they shouldn’t, but they expect the defense to botch a simple relay play, and usually they do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 17:26:10 GMT -5
I won't argue your point about how pitchers aren't taught anymore like they used to be, but you don't teach guys to be Maddux or Glavine. A LOT of that is innate. Those guys were smart and their competitive drive was off the charts. They don't grow on trees. Of course you cannot teach guys to be that great, there are only a few Maddux, Glavine and though a different kind of pitcher Randy Johnson who was a later bloomer and a workhorse pitcher who had the same kind of drive. But you can have the mindset to develop them to be expected to consistently go 7 and not have to have a large pitching staff of specialist ponies. And you can get the good pitchers to be able to consistently face a lineup 3 times. Maybe you do not have to have the 300 IP workhorses of the 70s but you can get 200 IP and even more from most of your top two guys I do not want to SP to be just another interchangeable part - maybe go 5 and see the parade of relief guys the rest of the way There is something special about being a starter - we should get more out of these guys who are bigger and stronger and train all the time. And velocity is not the end all be all I think we can agree on that
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