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Post by keystone61 on Aug 26, 2021 12:05:36 GMT -5
I have tix for Gwinnett vs Nashville tonight, which Kyle Wright will show up? I'd like to see him finally "get it", because he's got great stuff. He and Touki are very similar as far as the quality of their stuff, but it ain't worth nuttin' without confidence and command.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 26, 2021 14:36:43 GMT -5
Hasn't he had a couple of good outings in a row? Hope it's that one.. Muller had another good outing last night too, I think he went 6 innings and gave up no runs and either 2 or 3 walks. That’s at least two good ones in a row since he went down. He’s been good, but not Josh Tomlin level good. Just for perspective. Tomlin is in the majors, Muller isn’t.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 26, 2021 14:38:43 GMT -5
I have tix for Gwinnett vs Nashville tonight, which Kyle Wright will show up? I'd like to see him finally "get it", because he's got great stuff. He and Touki are very similar as far as the quality of their stuff, but it ain't worth nuttin' without confidence and command. Wright has AAA figured out, he did last year, he’s just not trusting himself or his stuff when pitches in the big leagues and he completely spazzes out mentally.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 26, 2021 17:43:43 GMT -5
I'd like to see him finally "get it", because he's got great stuff. He and Touki are very similar as far as the quality of their stuff, but it ain't worth nuttin' without confidence and command. Wright has AAA figured out, he did last year, he’s just not trusting himself or his stuff when pitches in the big leagues and he completely spazzes out mentally. I would say the same thing I said about Folty. Go see Llewelyn or whatever name of the sports psychologist Smoltzy saw. He was the same way and was changed immediately.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 26, 2021 18:14:17 GMT -5
Wright has AAA figured out, he did last year, he’s just not trusting himself or his stuff when pitches in the big leagues and he completely spazzes out mentally. I would say the same thing I said about Folty. Go see Llewelyn or whatever name of the sports psychologist Smoltzy saw. He was the same way and was changed immediately. Yeah it seems obviously like a great idea but you never hear mention of it. I mean why would anybody try something that John Smoltz used to help himself? ??
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 26, 2021 19:37:41 GMT -5
Dbacks own the east apparently. 4-0 over the phils.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 19:55:28 GMT -5
I would say the same thing I said about Folty. Go see Llewelyn or whatever name of the sports psychologist Smoltzy saw. He was the same way and was changed immediately. Yeah it seems obviously like a great idea but you never hear mention of it. I mean why would anybody try something that John Smoltz used to help himself? ?? Smoltz was a better talent and had consistency in his pitching coach when PC's were allowed to teach pitchers how to pitch, succeed and fail and not have to be puppets to hyper analytics. Some orgs are managed solely by the numbers Analytics have done more to hurt pitching in this game - too much to say in one post. I do think its hurt and overwhelmed some guys - more likely pitchers. If the game had any brains they would pick the brains of guys like Smoltz, Glavine, Randy Johnson and other battle tested guys who got better in time & found their way to Cooperstown. Perhaps they would have dated theories like why not let a guy face a lineup a third time. As for Wright, it seems like he has been passed by younger arms in the org at this time. Maybe some day but if he does well in AAA, he might rebuild some of the trade value.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 26, 2021 20:09:18 GMT -5
The not seeing guys for the third time is because MLB starters may have 3 pitches, and possibly a 4th they throw 3 times a game.
Maddox, Glavine, et al had 4 pitches and enough variations in every one of them to make it seem like they had 10.
These days by the 3rd go around batters have seen every thing a guy has that night. Maddox would throw a complete game, never show a single batter the same thing at the same speed, and come back against the same team 10 days later and start them with something else they didn't see the 1st time.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 26, 2021 20:27:31 GMT -5
The not seeing guys for the third time is because MLB starters may have 3 pitches, and possibly a 4th they throw 3 times a game. Maddox, Glavine, et al had 4 pitches and enough variations in every one of them to make it seem like they had 10. These days by the 3rd go around batters have seen every thing a guy has that night. Maddox would throw a complete game, never show a single batter the same thing at the same speed, and come back against the same team 10 days later and start them with something else they didn't see the 1st time. Yep. That was pitching. Don Sutton put it best when he said that hitting was all about timing and pitching was all about throwing off that timing. Maddux and Glavine were masters at it. Glavine worked away, away, away. Seemed everything was away and he wouldn't cave. Maddux had freakish command and threw mostly fastballs that he could make go any direction he wanted. Nothing straight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 20:39:25 GMT -5
The not seeing guys for the third time is because MLB starters may have 3 pitches, and possibly a 4th they throw 3 times a game. Maddox, Glavine, et al had 4 pitches and enough variations in every one of them to make it seem like they had 10. These days by the 3rd go around batters have seen every thing a guy has that night. Maddox would throw a complete game, never show a single batter the same thing at the same speed, and come back against the same team 10 days later and start them with something else they didn't see the 1st time. Yep. That was pitching. Don Sutton put it best when he said that hitting was all about timing and pitching was all about throwing off that timing. Maddux and Glavine were masters at it. Glavine worked away, away, away. Seemed everything was away and he wouldn't cave. Maddux had freakish command and threw mostly fastballs that he could make go any direction he wanted. Nothing straight. In essence, its about instruction and pitching development. Begins in the low minors. It is not making the game better, maybe longer and we see the parade of pitching changes but not the game that had continuity to it There was a time fans would pay to see certain matchups. I am not sure there is that much an incentive to train pitchers to go deeper in the games cause of the rush to get guys up. And the powers that be just do not know how to develop the kind of pitchers we once used to pay to see. Its as if they are all replacable parts save for a select few.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 26, 2021 21:11:07 GMT -5
It doesn't particularly relate to the braves, but the ass birds blew a 7-3 lead to the pirates, whom don't know how to baseball after allowing them to score 8 runs in the bottom of the 7th. Now losing 11-7 top 9th.
Always good to see those jerk birds flounder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 21:34:28 GMT -5
It doesn't particularly relate to the braves, but the ass birds blew a 7-3 lead to the pirates, whom don't know how to baseball after allowing them to score 8 runs in the bottom of the 7th. Now losing 11-7 top 9th. Always good to see those jerk birds flounder. I have hated them since that 2012 WC game when we got screwed over by Sam Holbrook. Worst call ever And my hate for them doubled two yrs ago with the girlie man Helsley thing.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 26, 2021 21:41:11 GMT -5
It doesn't particularly relate to the braves, but the ass birds blew a 7-3 lead to the pirates, whom don't know how to baseball after allowing them to score 8 runs in the bottom of the 7th. Now losing 11-7 top 9th. Always good to see those jerk birds flounder. I have hated them since that 2012 WC game when we got screwed over by Sam Holbrook. Worst call ever And my hate for them doubled two yrs ago with the girlie man Helsley thing. yup after the Helsey wokefest, I decided then and there I hope those suckers go into a decade+ playoff drought with lots of losing seasons. Unlikely to happen, but one can dream.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 21:44:58 GMT -5
I have hated them since that 2012 WC game when we got screwed over by Sam Holbrook. Worst call ever And my hate for them doubled two yrs ago with the girlie man Helsley thing. yup after the Helsey wokefest, I decided then and there I hope those suckers go into a decade+ playoff drought with lots of losing seasons. Unlikely to happen, but one can dream. Hope they can be what the Muts have been for a long time They were not so great in the 70s. They were without any post season from 1969 to 81. Serves them right if it can happen again
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 26, 2021 22:48:28 GMT -5
The not seeing guys for the third time is because MLB starters may have 3 pitches, and possibly a 4th they throw 3 times a game. Maddox, Glavine, et al had 4 pitches and enough variations in every one of them to make it seem like they had 10. These days by the 3rd go around batters have seen every thing a guy has that night. Maddox would throw a complete game, never show a single batter the same thing at the same speed, and come back against the same team 10 days later and start them with something else they didn't see the 1st time. Yes and they also understood the art of keeping hitters off balance and never feeling comfortable by being able to locate and make their pitches all look similar on their way to the plate.
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