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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 2, 2021 8:58:49 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl In his first rehab start Sunday at High-A Rome, #Braves' Huascar Ynoa allowed eight hits and six runs (all earned) in two innings, with one walk and two strikeouts. 51 pitches/35 strikes.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 2, 2021 9:25:16 GMT -5
Just thinking how nice it would be to get Haniger, he's a FA after 2022 but hopefully you could sign him to an extension. He's one guy I'd give up a good prospect for if you knew you could sign him. Would Wilson and Ball have started a conversation? Maybe throw in Jackson even though they may not want him back who knows? Just trying to grasp the possible value of those three players, how they could have been used differently.
I noticed Haniger was picked 38th overall in the 2012 draft, we took Lucas Sims that year with the 21st overall pick. My thing is just that whatever we did should have been with an eye on 22 and possibly beyond. To have just given up those 3 I mentioned trying to save 2021 is a very low odds bet. Even after the trades most places that place odds on the post-season still have the Braves chances around 15%, tops. If you were to extrapolate that on down to their chances to get past the 1st round, you're probably looking at 5%. If we traded Ball, Wilson, and Jackson for nothing more than a 15% chance we would make the post season, and a 5% chance we would escape the 1st round; that would be just about ignorant.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 2, 2021 9:26:01 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl In his first rehab start Sunday at High-A Rome, #Braves' Huascar Ynoa allowed eight hits and six runs (all earned) in two innings, with one walk and two strikeouts. 51 pitches/35 strikes. I hope he didn't get mad and punch a light pole.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 2, 2021 9:41:01 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl In his first rehab start Sunday at High-A Rome, #Braves' Huascar Ynoa allowed eight hits and six runs (all earned) in two innings, with one walk and two strikeouts. 51 pitches/35 strikes. I hope he didn't get mad and punch a light pole. Ha Ha
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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 2, 2021 9:43:11 GMT -5
Rickey Henderson stole 2,220 bases of the pre-1898 variety: 1406 modern stolen bases 322 times 1st-to-3rd on single 383 times 2nd-to-home on single 109 times 1st-to-home on double
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 10:12:32 GMT -5
Just thinking how nice it would be to get Haniger, he's a FA after 2022 but hopefully you could sign him to an extension. He's one guy I'd give up a good prospect for if you knew you could sign him. Would Wilson and Ball have started a conversation? Maybe throw in Jackson even though they may not want him back who knows? Just trying to grasp the possible value of those three players, how they could have been used differently.
I noticed Haniger was picked 38th overall in the 2012 draft, we took Lucas Sims that year with the 21st overall pick. My thing is just that whatever we did should have been with an eye on 22 and possibly beyond. To have just given up those 3 I mentioned trying to save 2021 is a very low odds bet. Even after the trades most places that place odds on the post-season still have the Braves chances around 15%, tops. If you were to extrapolate that on down to their chances to get past the 1st round, you're probably looking at 5%. If we traded Ball, Wilson, and Jackson for nothing more than a 15% chance we would make the post season, and a 5% chance we would escape the 1st round; that would be just about ignorant. I completely agree.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 2, 2021 10:16:55 GMT -5
Soler is interesting. He has always been associated with the "p word"........potential. It's a bit like we've been with guys like Newcomb and Wright on the pitching side. You don't know when to give up on them, because the proverbial light can always come on with guys like that, and you're in a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't position. Soler had that monster year in 2019, and you can't help but wonder if he could put together a few years close to that. He's only 29 years old. I'd be tempted to sign him assuming that 1) the DH comes to the NL and 2) the beater is gone for good.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 11:13:27 GMT -5
I agree about Soler but to me it depends on what he’s going to cost, money is going to be tight. Unless we get out from under the Ozuna contract.
Rosario has also been really good but not steady.
Soler has the highest ceiling of any of the four we just acquired and it’s not even close. If the deal was reasonable he’s the one i’d keep.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 2, 2021 11:33:47 GMT -5
I agree about Soler but to me it depends on what he’s going to cost, money is going to be tight. Unless we get out from under the Ozuna contract. Rosario has also been really good but not steady. Soler has the highest ceiling of any of the four we just acquired and it’s not even close. If the deal was reasonable he’s the one i’d keep. He would (should?) definitely provide the power, and could play outfield as needed. I wouldn't think a deal for him would be outlandish by any means. 2/$15 maybe? Wilson pitches for the Bucs tonight. I'll be keeping an eye on that one.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 16:04:10 GMT -5
I agree about Soler but to me it depends on what he’s going to cost, money is going to be tight. Unless we get out from under the Ozuna contract. Rosario has also been really good but not steady. Soler has the highest ceiling of any of the four we just acquired and it’s not even close. If the deal was reasonable he’s the one i’d keep. He would (should?) definitely provide the power, and could play outfield as needed. I wouldn't think a deal for him would be outlandish by any means. 2/$15 maybe? Wilson pitches for the Bucs tonight. I'll be keeping an eye on that one. That sounds reasonable and would be worth the gamble, I had to look up his salary history, he's only had 2 contracts in his ten years in MLB. He signed a 9 year deal in 2012 for $30M with a $6M signing bonus, then signed a one year deal for this season for $8,050,000. If money made us choose one between him and Duvall I'd take Soler. On one had I'd rather gamble on him for just one year and expect Pache or Waters to be ready for 2023, but even just one more year of Soler stings in my opinion for losing Wilson. Tough call, glad I'm not AA on this one or these other recent OFer trades. Although I have to say he's probably not going to catch much flack if none of them stay with us or if they fail because the average fan is just excited that we "went for it" this year and doesn't care about any prospects period.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 2, 2021 17:44:46 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl In his first rehab start Sunday at High-A Rome, #Braves' Huascar Ynoa allowed eight hits and six runs (all earned) in two innings, with one walk and two strikeouts. 51 pitches/35 strikes. sounds ready to join the pen immediately
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 17:49:11 GMT -5
On the issue of Bryse Wilson, one thing we got back in that deal was a strong reliever who has had a WHIP in the 0.85 range and we have two yrs of control of Rich Rod.
He must have been a real target for AA and you do have to give up something to get something.
As for Wilson, he has been up and down for 4 seasons now. Sometimes he looks like a potential solid mid rotation guy other times a stiff. Time will tell
I am not impressed with his 5.45 career ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 74 innings. I don't think we gave up the world
As for Bryce Ball, he is still struggling in A+ ball in the Cubs system at South Bend. Keep that up and he will be in the Independent leagues in two yrs.
As for Alex Jackson, maybe yes maybe not.
You can't keep them all. If they win the division with this that is good enough cause some post season is better than nothing. If they fail that is not on the FO its on the players who collectively were not good enough.
At least AA kept most of the fan base interested.
Its not like they emptied out the system moving Mueller, Pache, Langeliers, Harris, Waters etc. I don't think we gave up that much
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 18:54:43 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl In his first rehab start Sunday at High-A Rome, #Braves' Huascar Ynoa allowed eight hits and six runs (all earned) in two innings, with one walk and two strikeouts. 51 pitches/35 strikes. sounds ready to join the pen immediately Not quite yet, he'll have to work on walking more guys first.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 2, 2021 19:02:42 GMT -5
sounds ready to join the pen immediately Not quite yet, he'll have to work on walking more guys first. Yeah one walk in two innings ain’t gonna cut it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 19:05:42 GMT -5
On the issue of Bryse Wilson, one thing we got back in that deal was a strong reliever who has had a WHIP in the 0.85 range and we have two yrs of control of Rich Rod. He must have been a real target for AA and you do have to give up something to get something. As for Wilson, he has been up and down for 4 seasons now. Sometimes he looks like a potential solid mid rotation guy other times a stiff. Time will tell I am not impressed with his 5.45 career ERA and 1.70 WHIP in 74 innings. I don't think we gave up the world As for Bryce Ball, he is still struggling in A+ ball in the Cubs system at South Bend. Keep that up and he will be in the Independent leagues in two yrs. As for Alex Jackson, maybe yes maybe not. You can't keep them all. If they win the division with this that is good enough cause some post season is better than nothing. If they fail that is not on the FO its on the players who collectively were not good enough. At least AA kept most of the fan base interested. Its not like they emptied out the system moving Mueller, Pache, Langeliers, Harris, Waters etc. I don't think we gave up that much Just because you can't keep them all doesn't mean you can just give them away for little or nothing. If we don't win "something" this year, as in miss the playoffs, and then we let all those OFers go, what did we accomplish? Making most of the casual fanbase happy because "we went for" whatever it is we went for doesn't do a damn thing for me.
Right now there are about 20 teams in baseball who use a two catcher system and another 5 or so who have one guy catching about 100 games and another guy the rest. Very few teams have a catcher who is catching 110-120 games or more anymore. I feel pretty certain Jackson is going to latch onto a job somewhere in there, it's just a matter of how much he will or won't hit in the long run. But it's always going to be a loss just by the fact that we gave him away for a guy we should have never let go. Duvall was always a good idea for this year and probably next year with the uncertainty of Waters and Pache. That was just a boner from the git go and now we gave away a guy who is blossoming because of AA's bone headed move on Duvall. We were all shocked when he let Duvall go, that was always a no brainer. No hindsight needed on that one. Now he's doubled down on it. Two negative checkmarks in my book.
Plus it's even that much more irritating every time I have to watch Kevan bat. We had a guy ready that would have assuredly been better than Kevan, but whatever.
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