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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 19:21:30 GMT -5
Watching Luzardo pitch tonight for the Marlins, he looks like he could slide right into our pitching staff--good stuff and no command. All over the place. High pitch count. He looks just like a shorter version of Sean Newcomb.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 2, 2021 19:36:34 GMT -5
Well then next year is probably a do it or lose the job situation for Anthopoulos. He already screwed up big time like ya said by letting Duvall go on the first place, and he failed to adequately address the bullpen this past off season, only making a move to actually improve it on the middle of a year this year that looks to be .500 at absolute best.q
He's really going to need to make some bullpen moves in the off season, and in all honesty, probably needs to consider looking for a replacent for Seitzer, regardless of the relative lack of talent. Even with Acuña healthy, the team was still very bad offensively in the late innings. I just don't feel Seitzer is that great of a coach. So hitting coach is now also a need, imo that AA needs to fill. Kranitz perhaps gets a pass with the starting pitching stabilizing, but that pen still looks pretty awful.
If AA whiffs again on the bullpen, and lets Freddie walk in the off season, his seat should be too hot to rest on.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 2, 2021 20:03:07 GMT -5
I don’t think we let all these outfielders go. I agree on Alex Jackson. He was never given a serious look before he was traded for Duvall, and we start Leon? That’s just stupid talent management right there. The Wilson trade makes more sense. I mean, we got 2 more years of a proven reliever for him. If Rodriguez pitches to his capabilities, that’s a good deal for us I think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 20:50:09 GMT -5
Plus it's even that much more irritating every time I have to watch Kevan bat. We had a guy ready that would have assuredly been better than Kevan, but whatever.
For that I cannot argue with. I am tired of Kevan batting and why Snit did not pinch hit for him in the bottom of the 9th - that disgusted me cause there was no excuse for that - we had Adrianza and a couple of other guys but that is a different issue. I don't know if Alex Jackson fell out of favor with management somewhere but he sure did not look like he was in their long term plans. That could be a mistake. Was the Duvall thing a bone head move in the off season, sure. But we did get him back for now. I do think we will keep one of the outfielders at least. We have to though top priority is to keep our franchise player and determine the other priorities between D Arnaud and the outfielders. Will Jackson develop a role somewhere - maybe but for whatever reason it did not seem to be here, management deemed him expendable. I do not see what the powers that be see in the Fabulous Leon. Maybe the pitchers like him as far a calling the games, that does count in decision making. For better or worse, all appearances look like management did not have a high regard of making Alex Jackson a big part of their future. Guess we have to live with it and if it was wrong the Marlins or another team will benefit assuming he finds a role at this level
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 20:52:21 GMT -5
Watching Luzardo pitch tonight for the Marlins, he looks like he could slide right into our pitching staff--good stuff and no command. All over the place. High pitch count. He looks just like a shorter version of Sean Newcomb. He did not have a disgraceful stat line, lasted 5 but did have the 3 walks. I did not actually see the game so cannot really get into details other than the line He is not the first hot shot pitching prospect with those issues - Oakland is a team that does not rashly give up on prospects much less guys who were top ranked in their system. They build with prospects and budget conscious moves. I think Oakland sees something and there is a reason why he was let go
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 20:59:27 GMT -5
Well then next year is probably a do it or lose the job situation for Anthopoulos. He already screwed up big time like ya said by letting Duvall go on the first place, and he failed to adequately address the bullpen this past off season, only making a move to actually improve it on the middle of a year this year that looks to be .500 at absolute best.q He's really going to need to make some bullpen moves in the off season, and in all honesty, probably needs to consider looking for a replacent for Seitzer, regardless of the relative lack of talent. Even with Acuña healthy, the team was still very bad offensively in the late innings. I just don't feel Seitzer is that great of a coach. So hitting coach is now also a need, imo that AA needs to fill. Kranitz perhaps gets a pass with the starting pitching stabilizing, but that pen still looks pretty awful. If AA whiffs again on the bullpen, and lets Freddie walk in the off season, his seat should be too hot to rest on. The decision on Freddie is going to be made on powers that be higher than AA. At least at the Mc Guirk level and in a case like this where so much money is on the line, this is one of those financial decisions that likely will get to the desk of John Malone and Greg Maffei. I know that LM generally is not involved with baseball decisions and team decisions but I find it hard to believe they will not be involved in a decision that is this impactful As for the pen, much of this has been performance underachieving (Greene, Martin, ups and downs from Minter) as examples. As for Duvall, we all wanted him back but how could we expect the Acuna injury and of course Mister Unmentionable being both ineffective and we know the other stuff Now, gambling that Pache was ready to take CF - yes AA did make a bad whiff on that decision. My guess is he did not think he would have room for Duvall at the time. Wrong decision but my guess of his thinking
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 21:26:52 GMT -5
Watching Luzardo pitch tonight for the Marlins, he looks like he could slide right into our pitching staff--good stuff and no command. All over the place. High pitch count. He looks just like a shorter version of Sean Newcomb. He did not have a disgraceful stat line, lasted 5 but did have the 3 walks. I did not actually see the game so cannot really get into details other than the line He is not the first hot shot pitching prospect with those issues - Oakland is a team that does not rashly give up on prospects much less guys who were top ranked in their system. They build with prospects and budget conscious moves. I think Oakland sees something and there is a reason why he was let go He gave up 3 BB, 4 hits and 3 runs in 5 innings, if a Braves pitcher did that you'd have him at the bottom of the elevator shaft. Even if he had just pitched three complete game shutouts in a row prior to this game.
His command looked just like Newcomb, that has been his problem this year in both the minors and the majors--it wasn't a problem for him before this season so maybe he'll get things under control.
They interviewed his mother later in the game, she is HAWT! AY MAMI!!!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 21:31:23 GMT -5
Well then next year is probably a do it or lose the job situation for Anthopoulos. He already screwed up big time like ya said by letting Duvall go on the first place, and he failed to adequately address the bullpen this past off season, only making a move to actually improve it on the middle of a year this year that looks to be .500 at absolute best.q He's really going to need to make some bullpen moves in the off season, and in all honesty, probably needs to consider looking for a replacent for Seitzer, regardless of the relative lack of talent. Even with Acuña healthy, the team was still very bad offensively in the late innings. I just don't feel Seitzer is that great of a coach. So hitting coach is now also a need, imo that AA needs to fill. Kranitz perhaps gets a pass with the starting pitching stabilizing, but that pen still looks pretty awful. If AA whiffs again on the bullpen, and lets Freddie walk in the off season, his seat should be too hot to rest on. The decision on Freddie is going to be made on powers that be higher than AA. At least at the Mc Guirk level and in a case like this where so much money is on the line, this is one of those financial decisions that likely will get to the desk of John Malone and Greg Maffei. I know that LM generally is not involved with baseball decisions and team decisions but I find it hard to believe they will not be involved in a decision that is this impactful As for the pen, much of this has been performance underachieving (Greene, Martin, ups and downs from Minter) as examples. As for Duvall, we all wanted him back but how could we expect the Acuna injury and of course Mister Unmentionable being both ineffective and we know the other stuff Now, gambling that Pache was ready to take CF - yes AA did make a bad whiff on that decision. My guess is he did not think he would have room for Duvall at the time. Wrong decision but my guess of his thinking The problem is that Duvall was a perfect 4th OFer guy who could also fill in for injuries adequately, he's inconsistent with the bat but over the course of a season you know you're going to get a decent overall player and he wasn't going to cost much moneywise. He was a really good insurance policy and if nobody got hurt and Pache blossomed then he would have been a real good bench bat. Better than the great and ultra amazing Pablo.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 2, 2021 21:42:31 GMT -5
Not re-signing Duvall was a really bad move. We needed a 4th outfielder at the very least and here we had one who was cheap, a really good defender, and could carry a team at times with the bat. He was always going to be a PH HR threat at the least.
AA just really blew that along with the BP. So now we gave up Jackson for something we already could have and should have had.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 21:48:10 GMT -5
The problem is that Duvall was a perfect 4th OFer guy who could also fill in for injuries adequately, he's inconsistent with the bat but over the course of a season you know you're going to get a decent overall player and he wasn't going to cost much moneywise. He was a really good insurance policy and if nobody got hurt and Pache blossomed then he would have been a real good bench bat. Better than the great and ultra amazing Pablo. No one will disagree with that and maybe this time Mr Alex will find a way to keep him. No way they let them all go. I still think Pache is going to make it - he is at least going to be as good as Kevin Kiermayer with the bat and we know about the D. Maybe even a better bat The biggest help we can have in the off season is getting out of that contract with the unmentionable one. I like the idea of keeping Soler around within reason. We signed too much junk after they committed to Morton and Smyly for 26 mil for both. Not the worst investment but maybe they bid vs themselves early in FA. And I am sure AA would love to take back that bad contract to the unmentionable one. But who knew what was to come
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 2, 2021 23:18:33 GMT -5
The problem is that Duvall was a perfect 4th OFer guy who could also fill in for injuries adequately, he's inconsistent with the bat but over the course of a season you know you're going to get a decent overall player and he wasn't going to cost much moneywise. He was a really good insurance policy and if nobody got hurt and Pache blossomed then he would have been a real good bench bat. Better than the great and ultra amazing Pablo. No one will disagree with that and maybe this time Mr Alex will find a way to keep him. No way they let them all go. I still think Pache is going to make it - he is at least going to be as good as Kevin Kiermayer with the bat and we know about the D. Maybe even a better bat The biggest help we can have in the off season is getting out of that contract with the unmentionable one. I like the idea of keeping Soler around within reason. We signed too much junk after they committed to Morton and Smyly for 26 mil for both. Not the worst investment but maybe they bid vs themselves early in FA. And I am sure AA would love to take back that bad contract to the unmentionable one. But who knew what was to come Duvall has a mutual option for next year, the Braves can retain him for $7M if they want or they can buy him out for $3M. I think he can decline if want to retain him but he doesn't want to stay, I guess in that case we wouldn't have to pay the buyout.
I would expect him to be with us for next year and Soler on either a one or two year deal. On one hand I'd like to think Waters and Pache can both start to get their feet wet in 2022 in the big leagues, Waters has been pretty good lately. But it would give us a nice bridge to them if Soler could be productive. That could be a big IF though, who knows what to expect. He has a really high ceiling but who knows.
I've been so traumatized by Acuna's injury I haven't even paid attention, but isn't it going to be mid season next year at the earliest before he could return? If so we're going to need 4 of these guys to be with us--Waters, Pache, Joc, Soler, Duvall and Rosario (that's assuming the wife beater is out of the picture). Unless we went to go through another season with backup players like Heredia, Almonte and Adrianza starting on our OF again, and I don't.
I haven't ruled out us signing Marte, but the odds are obviously greater that we'll try it deal with the guys we've traded for already. And I think our odds go way up of signing Marte if we know soon enough that we will be out of the wife beaters contract but that's a complete toss up.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 3, 2021 2:09:28 GMT -5
Bryse Wilson in his Pittsburgh debut: 5 IP, 2 hits, 1 run, and 2 walks. He took the loss (which means nothing). This will likely turn out like the Jason Schmidt trade. Schmidt did a respectable job as a starter for Pittsburgh. He was a workhorse type of guy for the Pirates who was REALLY GOOD for the Giants. He finished 2nd in the Cy voting in 2003 and 4th in 2004 while he was with San Francisco. Looking back, he was a guy the Braves probably should have kept, but we did get Denny Neagle in the Schmidt trade, who was really good for us in 97 and 98 before Schmidt was ready. We got Rodriguez for Wilson, who will likely be good for us the next 2 years at least, so this trade shouldn't be too bad.
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