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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 7, 2022 12:05:07 GMT -5
Even if he makes it back this season it would be hard to imagine he’d quickly return to his dominance, if ever….still would love to see him on the team this year though For now we just need him to be better than Anderson and Odorizzi, and that’s not a high bar right now.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 7, 2022 20:36:57 GMT -5
IF he comes back, it would probably be a good idea to use him out of the pen, given his history. I'll be surprised if he is ever close to what he was, but I'd love to see it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 7, 2022 21:43:14 GMT -5
I expect him to be really good again because he knows how to pitch rather than just throw hard, and I don't think he would be cleared to come back if he's not physically right.
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 8, 2022 14:52:06 GMT -5
Braves rumors: Atlanta was close to doing the right thing with Marcell OzunaAtlanta Braves rumors don’t have to end with the passing of the MLB trade deadline. According to Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald, the Braves nearly did the right thing with Ozuna and traded him away to the Miami Marlins. More at... fansided.com/2022/08/04/braves-rumors-atlanta-marcell-ozuna/
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 8, 2022 15:23:04 GMT -5
Braves rumors: Atlanta was close to doing the right thing with Marcell OzunaAtlanta Braves rumors don’t have to end with the passing of the MLB trade deadline. According to Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald, the Braves nearly did the right thing with Ozuna and traded him away to the Miami Marlins. More at... fansided.com/2022/08/04/braves-rumors-atlanta-marcell-ozuna/ I am actually glad we didn't do that, and it is encouraging that we are making the effort to move him. I would imagine they'll be more aggressive this offseason about getting that done.
I don't like the Garcia thing because they're actually pretty similar players at this point and Garcia is having a worse season with the bat than Blowzuna. The biggest issue for me is we would have had Garcia for 3 more years and cost us an extra $4M. I feel like there were options for this season that would have gotten us out of this mess after 2022 or 2023, so there's no reason to stay in this mess through 2025. We would just have to take less of a player and eat some money....but we're at the point where we need to take the monetary loss and move on. It would be a sizeable loss but having this asspipe in the starting lineup is doing more damage than eating the money.
Can't recall if I posted this here or not:
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 15, 2022 22:13:11 GMT -5
Braves attitude:
I admire Brian Snitker's even keel approach that pays dividends over 162 games... but I always thought something the Braves missed was attitude.
Was it any coincidence that Josh Donaldson showed up and the Braves seemed to gain an edge?
Was it any coincidence that the Braves added Joc and won a WS?
Personally, I loved the fact that Strider called the Mets out for their lucky BS.
I think that edge is what this team has always needed. Freeman's work ethic was great and all, but we needed a touch of cocky.
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Post by rennymadeit on Aug 15, 2022 22:19:16 GMT -5
Freddie’s attitude lent itself to being the best social director …..during the games. Nice, but not needed.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 18, 2022 21:44:51 GMT -5
Here's a great scenario for extension talks with Dansby right now. There could be 4 big names available after the season including him. If they are all out there, the prices go down a bit compared to if there are only 2 or 3 available. Plus we have Grissom sitting right there, so we have a tiny bit of leverage in this situation, and signing him isn't a must with the rest of our core.
So having that core for him to go after championships with for the next few years, and a little non-urgency on our part; we may get him at a non crazy price.
Then if we do it now we reduce the number of high quality SS's available for everyone else, and the price anyone else signing one has to pay goes up.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 18, 2022 22:18:56 GMT -5
Here's a great scenario for extension talks with Dansby right now. There could be 4 big names available after the season including him. If they are all out there, the prices go down a bit compared to if there are only 2 or 3 available. Plus we have Grissom sitting right there, so we have a tiny bit of leverage in this situation, and signing him isn't a must with the rest of our core. So having that core for him to go after championships with for the next few years, and a little non-urgency on our part; we may get him at a non crazy price. Then if we do it now we reduce the number of high quality SS's available for everyone else, and the price anyone else signing one has to pay goes up. Since Dansby has the same people as his agent as Fred did, they'll likely try to convince him to wait so that he's the last SS signed so his price will go way up.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 18, 2022 22:24:47 GMT -5
Maybe...and maybe the leverage I mentioned and the fact we let Freddie walk for a crappier deal may put Dansby's head in a clearer space, where he doesn't allow that to happen.
It's a really different situation and if he leaves.... he leaves. I look at it as we get a solid deal or we make a fiscally correct decision for the team that doesn't involve us having to give up prospects to fill the hole.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 18, 2022 23:04:01 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of signing Dansby for a multitude of reasons, but it depends on how much money it takes. I have my limits on what I think we should pay him, and that also depends on a multitude of things. I think the bottom line is he is going to get paid more than I would be willing to go, because someone is going to be willing to take a chance that he's going to continue to play at this level or better. As good as his defense has been, I'm not paying a guy $20M+ a year who has a career wRC+ of 93 and still has consistency issues. He just had a three month run where he was one of the top 3 or 4 best players in the game, which is easily better than any run in the past, but he is so up and down it scares me to give him big big money.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 18, 2022 23:24:43 GMT -5
Absolutely no one here has stood behind Dansby more than me, but everything I have said is contingent on getting a good deal on him. What I have been talking about is the situation that allows us to say sign a team friendly deal, or we will have to let you go. SS's have signed some crazy money deals in the past few years, but I would not be willing to do that here with Grissom and all the SS's we have in the pipeline. My priority now is locking up some of our young pitching. Our dealings with Dansby right now come from a position of strength, not desperation. What we've done with our other contracts puts us in a great position.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 18, 2022 23:38:49 GMT -5
Absolutely no one here has stood behind Dansby more than me, but everything I have said is contingent on getting a good deal on him. What I have been talking about is the situation that allows us to say sign a team friendly deal, or we will have to let you go. SS's have signed some crazy money deals in the past few years, but I would not be willing to do that here with Grissom and all the SS's we have in the pipeline. My priority now is locking up some of our young pitching. Our dealings with Dansby right now come from a position of strength, not desperation. What we've done with our other contracts puts us in a great position. Yes, I totally agree.
On one hand I think he's part of the leadership of the team, he's stepped up and played well in the playoffs, there are intangibles that work in his favor and I'd like to see him stay for those reasons. I do think he has the ceiling to play at this level or close to it for many years but I also don't think it's that sure of a bet to spend the crazy money.....he still concerns me because of his long cold streaks.
I recently looked at his monthly splits for every year he's been in the big leagues, and he is a repetitive bell curve. Always starts real bad, gets real hot in the middle of the season, tails off in August and is really bad in September (all of this in terms of his offense). Interestingly, there is a very direct and undeniable correlation between how bad he is in September and how many games he played in any given season. The years where he missed time with injuries weren't as bad, but I think every single season where he played every day or close to it he had a sub .600 OPS in September. A clear sign he is ragged out by September and he should get more rest during the year. Just because he can physically go out there every day doesn't mean it's wise to do so.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 19, 2022 10:45:05 GMT -5
If they could void Ozuna's contract that could free up money to extend Swanson. The question is, could they move Grissom to the outfield. That could be an extremely young, powerful lineup for a long time. Braves will have to pay Ozuna, you can bet on that. I'm sure Grissom can handle the outfield.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 19, 2022 10:48:26 GMT -5
They can't void his contract as I understand things. There is no real enforceable precedent to do it, and voiding a contract is not listed as a possible penalty for misconduct. Yep. I hate this for AA. It's a black eye for him, but it happens. You just have to move on. We've been more than fair with Ozuna. He is just stupid, and that can't be fixed.
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