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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 13:29:37 GMT -5
11 mil a yr for this guy? He really has had two actual good years in his whole career (2013 as a reliever and 2014 as a starter) Seems like another arm that cannot give you good old fashioned consistent durable innings - do not know that much about him but another one of these soft MLB arms this day in time that are always nursing their $#%# injuries. Per the back of the card numbers an underwhelming pitcher You think you will get 100 innings out of this guy? Who knows at least its only one yr but not cheap. I really don't get the price tag at all though, but as far as production from the player, I will give AA the benefit of the doubt. The price tag is what I found outrageous for his past level of production and injury history. This is one where AA should be questioned on, do not think its unfair to second guess in an off season that was supposed to be a slower market for free agents. You can't do better than that for 11 mil? Had it been say, 4 mil it would have been a fairly sensible move though I do not like the injury history - hey he was not even worth 7 mil per when he was making that. After Hamels, AA does not get an automatic benefit of the doubt to me. At least Hamels and King Felix were names, this guy is well, he has collected a major league paycheck for some time. 11 mil for a guy who did not win one single game last yr, I have to say I do not get the business of this game today - and these owners cannot be that poor mouth if this is where the market is going.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 19, 2020 19:23:16 GMT -5
Well let's be honest here.
AA is a better GM and knows more about the market than every single person on this bored.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 19, 2020 19:50:04 GMT -5
Well let's be honest here. AA is a better GM and knows more about the market than every single person on this bored. I am not about to concede that! LMAO
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 19, 2020 20:13:40 GMT -5
Well let's be honest here. AA is a better GM and knows more about the market than every single person on this bored. Ya gotta give the man his due, not just any GM would be ale to land Neck year after year after year after year at such bargain basement prices!
Only one GM gets to do that, and it's our guy!!!
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 20, 2020 7:17:14 GMT -5
Anyone think we could trade Inciarte for Kimbrel? Bad contract swap, saves Cubs a touch of money, they seem to be blowing things up over there.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 20, 2020 12:17:04 GMT -5
Anyone think we could trade Inciarte for Kimbrel? Bad contract swap, saves Cubs a touch of money, they seem to be blowing things up over there. Maybe? But Kimbrel is done in my opinion. His numbers had been declining for a couple of years before the Cubs signed him and the bottom fell out.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 20, 2020 14:28:23 GMT -5
Anyone think we could trade Inciarte for Kimbrel? Bad contract swap, saves Cubs a touch of money, they seem to be blowing things up over there. Why would we want to do that? wouldn't we be trading about $6 million of bad for $12 million of bad?
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 20, 2020 14:31:21 GMT -5
Anyone think we could trade Inciarte for Kimbrel? Bad contract swap, saves Cubs a touch of money, they seem to be blowing things up over there. Maybe? But Kimbrel is done in my opinion. His numbers had been declining for a couple of years before the Cubs signed him and the bottom fell out. He's only 32, but yeah, he sure looks done to me. He's due $16 million in 2021, Ender is due $8 million. Would the Cubs eat half of the $8 million difference, or would they prefer to see if Kimbrel has something left? It's an interesting idea. The Cubs might do that and cut Ender loose to save the $$. It's a gamble, but a $4 million gamble doesn't sound that bad to me. Kimbrel would give us more possible value than Ender. IMO. Ender basically gives us no possible value. He can't hit, and his D is average now, so there's nothing to be gained there. IF (a big if) Kimbrel were to find himself again in the ATL, he could be a real boon for us.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 20, 2020 14:37:23 GMT -5
Maybe? But Kimbrel is done in my opinion. His numbers had been declining for a couple of years before the Cubs signed him and the bottom fell out. He's only 32, but yeah, he sure looks done to me. He's due $16 million in 2021, Ender is due $8 million. Would the Cubs eat half of the $8 million difference, or would they prefer to see if Kimbrel has something left? It's an interesting idea. The Cubs might do that and cut Ender loose to save the $$. It's a gamble, but a $4 million gamble doesn't sound that bad to me. Kimbrel would give us more possible value than Ender. IMO. Ender basically gives us no possible value. He can't hit, and his D is average now, so there's nothing to be gained there. IF (a big if) Kimbrel were to find himself again in the ATL, he could be a real boon for us. It's a tough call because Snitker still loves Ender.......but he also has an ongoing love affair with rag armed relievers.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 20, 2020 17:09:08 GMT -5
Anyone think we could trade Inciarte for Kimbrel? Bad contract swap, saves Cubs a touch of money, they seem to be blowing things up over there. Why would we want to do that? wouldn't we be trading about $6 million of bad for $12 million of bad? It's a buy low, Kimbrel only has 1 year left guaranteed, but a club option if he returns to form. I don't think he's done. He's still young, his velocity was actually up 1MPH last year compared to 2019, and his K/9 was back up to 16+, which is insane. His FIP was pretty strong, the only thing that hindered him in 2020 was his walks. Which I attribute, more than anything, to small sample size and 2020 just being weird with the ramp-up, shut-down, ramp-up cadence. If you think about it, his salary about equals Melancon's, so if you get Ender off the books as a byproduct, I think it's a win for us. I like Melancon a lot, but I'd want him back for like $5-7M tops. If that's not possible, I'd rather make an upside play like this one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:45:41 GMT -5
Well let's be honest here. AA is a better GM and knows more about the market than every single person on this bored. No argument there but a fair question is that if it takes 11 mil to land a Drew Smyly, what does it cost to get nice things in the free agent market? So much for the deflationary talk that we were led to believe. As I said previously, I do not get the business aspect of this game and I give up trying. Maybe Smyly will be a nice thing but will not bet the rent money on it. I have no problem with AA as a GM based on what the Braves have been since he got here, he brought the pride back in the Atlanta Braves product. What will it take to keep Melancon and Ozuna that is a great question. Maybe some of you might have a guess, I dunno - I do wish Smyly well. Hope he can give us 100 innings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:50:36 GMT -5
For those of us who hope Ender can be dumped on someone this off season well, my opinion is that is wishful thinking
As for trade value my guess is he has none unless we are willing to offer something nice for another team to take him.
And as Melancon being had for 5 to 7 mil, I don't know about that, the Robbie Ray and Smyly contracts seem to contradict the deflationary talk - I read where Robbie Ray got 8 mil. After a bad yr. Melancon seemingly should do better than that
Bullpens are more and more important as the game changes.
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 23, 2020 19:49:37 GMT -5
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 24, 2020 9:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 24, 2020 10:53:05 GMT -5
I don't know. Seems pretty risky to me. He's 37 and had 'shoulder fatigue' last season. I like the idea, but we got burned by King Felix and Hamels both this past season. We'll see.
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