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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 15, 2020 19:55:54 GMT -5
I wish Kyle farnsworth were still around. That Marlins beaning jazz wouldn’t work with him on the mound. Ask Paul Wilson about it. I agree. I think this Braves team needs some sort of an edge like that.
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 16, 2020 13:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 16, 2020 14:14:01 GMT -5
Well there is out veteran presents signing.
Fried Soroka Anderson Wright Smyly
(Wilson)
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 16, 2020 14:55:46 GMT -5
Well there is out veteran presents signing. Fried Soroka Anderson Wright Smyly (Wilson) Well he's not THAT far from being Bauer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 15:51:54 GMT -5
11 mil a yr for this guy? He really has had two actual good years in his whole career (2013 as a reliever and 2014 as a starter) Seems like another arm that cannot give you good old fashioned consistent durable innings - do not know that much about him but another one of these soft MLB arms this day in time that are always nursing their $#%# injuries. Per the back of the card numbers an underwhelming pitcher You think you will get 100 innings out of this guy? Who knows at least its only one yr but not cheap.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 16, 2020 18:09:02 GMT -5
Smyly had a nice season in 2020 but it was only 26 innings pitched. In his last two complete seasons prior to that he had a 5.41 ERA over 289 innings pitched.
And that includes a 6.24 ERA in 2019 in 114 innings pitched.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Nov 16, 2020 19:56:27 GMT -5
$11 million way too much for that guy. He had a good handful of outings this year but the prior two seasons were mediocre to bad. Would not have hive over $4 million for that. Ok signing taking career into account, but Thetford previous full seasons do not justify the the signing price.
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Post by hokiedan on Nov 16, 2020 19:59:19 GMT -5
Well there is out veteran presents signing. Fried Soroka Anderson Wright Smyly (Wilson) Cole Hamels redux
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 21:02:30 GMT -5
$11 million way too much for that guy. He had a good handful of outings this year but the prior two seasons were mediocre to bad. Would not have hive over $4 million for that. Ok signing taking career into account, but Thetford previous full seasons do not justify the the signing price. Note that he missed 2017 and 18, did have TJ surgery. If it had been for 4 million I would say okay see what he has. And he was not good in 2019. He was pretty good in 2020. The K/9 is what they look at this day in time but for 26 IP, crazy expenditure. If this guy can get 11 mil what is Bauer worth? Scared to guess. So much for the Covid budget tightning. Seems to be a guy who has missed alot of time. Was pretty good as a young pitcher before injuries Ironic is here is a guy who did not win one single game in 2020 and parlayed it into an 11 mil per deal. Not the baseball I grew up with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 21:08:41 GMT -5
This is interesting - Smyly was part of a trade where Tampa traded him to Seattle in January of 2017. One of the guys Tampa got back was Ryan Yarborough, a mainstay of their current pitching rotation. Of course Seattle got nothing out of Smyly who was out to lunch for two yrs in 2017 and 18.
The more I think of this the more I say Alex, you can't do better than that especially for 11 mil. That will be the big hangup Braves fans will have of this not so cheap sign for what looks like little or no return
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 17, 2020 14:08:16 GMT -5
Smyly had a nice season in 2020 but it was only 26 innings pitched. In his last two complete seasons prior to that he had a 5.41 ERA over 289 innings pitched.
And that includes a 6.24 ERA in 2019 in 114 innings pitched.
'tis a bit of a head scratcher, that's for sure.
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 17, 2020 15:04:06 GMT -5
Hard for me to criticize AA. I was iffy on the Donaldson deal and didn't really want Ozuna last year, mainly due to defensive issues but just overall inconsistency. I was more on the Castellanos bandwagon (or possibly getting Trey Mancini from Baltimore) so what do I know. On the other hand it's only one year so maybe we catch lightning in a bottle but the injury prone past has me concerned. Maybe we actually have some money to spend and can afford to take this chance. That would be a plus if true!
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 17, 2020 15:39:15 GMT -5
Hard for me to criticize AA. I was iffy on the Donaldson deal and didn't really want Ozuna last year, mainly due to defensive issues but just overall inconsistency. I was more on the Castellanos bandwagon (or possibly getting Trey Mancini from Baltimore) so what do I know. On the other hand it's only one year so maybe we catch lightning in a bottle but the injury prone past has me concerned. Maybe we actually have some money to spend and can afford to take this chance. That would be a plus if true! I'd rather have taken a chance on Kluber, or even Tajuan Walker than to do this, but like you said, AA seems to know what he's doing.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 17, 2020 16:03:56 GMT -5
Either AA knows what he's doing or he's gotten lucky several times or some combination.....the three bad decisions I can think of off the top of my head were Jose Bautista (horrible decision and we all knew it), and Hamels and Hernandez last year. Hernandez is an asterisk decision since he opted out like a vag because of the virus. But my instinct is to trust AA.
Having said that, I do wish we would add a really solid top 2-3 starting pitcher to add some veteran leadership to our pitching staff. I'm a little leery of taking on projects like Smyly right now because we are there, we are ready to complete with anybody, let's nail down a good starter who we can feel almost certain is going to give us good production. The time for trying to catch lightning in a bottle is past us.
Sign JTR and Bauer and call it a day.
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Post by carl on Nov 18, 2020 2:38:16 GMT -5
11 mil a yr for this guy? He really has had two actual good years in his whole career (2013 as a reliever and 2014 as a starter) Seems like another arm that cannot give you good old fashioned consistent durable innings - do not know that much about him but another one of these soft MLB arms this day in time that are always nursing their $#%# injuries. Per the back of the card numbers an underwhelming pitcher You think you will get 100 innings out of this guy? Who knows at least its only one yr but not cheap. I wonder if the plan for Drew Smyly is to be a starter until Soroka comes back, then shift him into the bullpen as an additional left-hander out of the pen. This could be the thinking behind this, and they still intend to get one more arm. The other possibility is Drew pitches well and when Soroka comes back, Wright gets sent down to the minors if he is ineffective (I am assuming Wright would be the 5th starter at this time). I don't mind the signing of the player himself, I think the 11 mil price tag is what makes this sounds unbelievable. The most he made in one year is 7 mil at Texas. Also remember, they are expecting a full season next year after a year where the season was a short sprint, so you will have Anderson trying a first full ML season, in which pitchers have been known to hit a wall. So They may acquire another pitcher, then Smyly will be shifted into spot starts maybe to give Anderson an extra day or 2 off towards the back end of the season since the Braves are expecting another deep playoff run. Along with the question marks of Wright/Wilson, this season you may see 7-8 pitchers getting 10 or more starts. Now a few takes of looking at things positively from what I read/know: His overall numbers were not good in 2019, but if you look at his numbers when he was with the Phillies (HE was traded to them in July), he was 3-2 with a 4.45 era, and pitched 62 2/3 innings in 12 starts and 68 Ks I believe. Considering how small the Phillies park is, those aren't terrible numbers. So Maybe he figured out something when he came over to the Phillies and continued it with the Giants this year. In fact if you take out his half season in Texas, his career ERA is actually about 3.75. Eventhough he has a history of injuries, it seems in '29 and 20 after his Tommy John surgery he has stayed healthy. I read where the Braves though that he was not using his changeup often enough, and it seems the Braves organization has down well with helping pitchers develop the changeup. Maybe they think this is the missing factor in him taking the step to being a reliable starter. Another thing, he was born in Gainesville and lived there until he moved to Little Rock Arkansas, but was a dishard Braves fan growing up. He also had the Braves as a top option to play for, so we got a player who wants to be here, not just came for the money. That seems to be something the Braves have been able to work out for the most part. I really don't get the price tag at all though, but as far as production from the player, I will give AA the benefit of the doubt.
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