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Post by brady2705 on Sept 13, 2020 8:17:55 GMT -5
And if so, what's the cost? I think you have to, he's been an MVP caliber bat, and seems to really help with the clubhouse. I've only witnessed him bringing a positive vibes in the dugout shots, and think he's become a critical part of this team. This is even more important if the NL adopts the DH full time, which I think is inevitable.
4 years, $80M prevents him from going to FA?
Then you have to bring back Melancon at a reduced rate, something like $10-12M/per for 2 years or so. Waters must be packaged for a starter, probably with a high end pitcher and maybe someone to take a flyer on like Camargo. Thank God we have another year locked up for d'Arnaud, he'd be very expensive to resign this off-season.
With Soroka coming back, Anderson's emergence, and if we resign the right guys ... This team could be deadly in 2021.
1. RF R Acuna 2. 2B S Albies 3. 1B L Freeman 4. DH R Ozuna 5. C R d'Arnaud 6. SS R Swanson 7. LF R Duvall 8. 3B R Riley 9. CF R Pache
1. Inciarte 2. Flowers / Jackson? 3. Hech? 4. Markakis? 5. Culberson?
1. L Fried 2. R Soroka 3. R Anderson 4. ? Trade 5. ? Wright / Newk / Touki / Folty / Davidson / Wilson / ?
1. R Melancon 2. L Smith 3. R Greene 4. L Minter 5. R O'Day 6. L Matzek 7. R Jackson 8. R Tomlin
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Post by Drkirby on Sept 13, 2020 8:41:51 GMT -5
If you do you can trade waters for an arm.
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Post by PABraveFan on Sept 13, 2020 9:14:31 GMT -5
And if so, what's the cost? I think you have to, he's been an MVP caliber bat, and seems to really help with the clubhouse. I've only witnessed him bringing a positive vibes in the dugout shots, and think he's become a critical part of this team. This is even more important if the NL adopts the DH full time, which I think is inevitable. 4 years, $80M prevents him from going to FA? Then you have to bring back Melancon at a reduced rate, something like $10-12M/per for 2 years or so. Waters must be packaged for a starter, probably with a high end pitcher and maybe someone to take a flyer on like Camargo. Thank God we have another year locked up for d'Arnaud, he'd be very expensive to resign this off-season. With Soroka coming back, Anderson's emergence, and if we resign the right guys ... This team could be deadly in 2021. 1. RF R Acuna 2. 2B S Albies 3. 1B L Freeman 4. DH R Ozuna 5. C R d'Arnaud 6. SS R Swanson 7. LF R Duvall 8. 3B R Riley 9. CF R Pache 1. Inciarte 2. Flowers / Jackson? 3. Hech? 4. Markakis? 5. Culberson? 1. L Fried 2. R Soroka 3. R Anderson 4. ? Trade 5. ? Wright / Newk / Touki / Folty / Davidson / Wilson / ? 1. R Melancon 2. L Smith 3. R Greene 4. L Minter 5. R O'Day 6. L Matzek 7. R Jackson 8. R Tomlin Better save a LOT of money for Freeman. He is a free agent after 2021. We need to lock him up soon before spending all that money on other things!
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Post by Drkirby on Sept 13, 2020 9:35:58 GMT -5
And if so, what's the cost? I think you have to, he's been an MVP caliber bat, and seems to really help with the clubhouse. I've only witnessed him bringing a positive vibes in the dugout shots, and think he's become a critical part of this team. This is even more important if the NL adopts the DH full time, which I think is inevitable. 4 years, $80M prevents him from going to FA? Then you have to bring back Melancon at a reduced rate, something like $10-12M/per for 2 years or so. Waters must be packaged for a starter, probably with a high end pitcher and maybe someone to take a flyer on like Camargo. Thank God we have another year locked up for d'Arnaud, he'd be very expensive to resign this off-season. With Soroka coming back, Anderson's emergence, and if we resign the right guys ... This team could be deadly in 2021. 1. RF R Acuna 2. 2B S Albies 3. 1B L Freeman 4. DH R Ozuna 5. C R d'Arnaud 6. SS R Swanson 7. LF R Duvall 8. 3B R Riley 9. CF R Pache 1. Inciarte 2. Flowers / Jackson? 3. Hech? 4. Markakis? 5. Culberson? 1. L Fried 2. R Soroka 3. R Anderson 4. ? Trade 5. ? Wright / Newk / Touki / Folty / Davidson / Wilson / ? 1. R Melancon 2. L Smith 3. R Greene 4. L Minter 5. R O'Day 6. L Matzek 7. R Jackson 8. R Tomlin Better save a LOT of money for Freeman. He is a free agent after 2021. We need to lock him up soon before spending all that money on other things! Agree. Freddie should be first.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 13, 2020 12:06:31 GMT -5
Extend Freddie first
See if you can extend Ozuna if you feel the DH becomes permanent,(which it will).
Do not trade Pache or Waters unless the return is an absolute #1 TOR guy you can control.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 13, 2020 20:04:22 GMT -5
I get the feeling Freddie will give us a hometown discount, although he obviously won't be cheap. If we keep the DH, I'd absolutely want to keep Ozuna. He seems to thrive on the DH role, and is a good guy in the clubhouse. I'd have to be blown away to trade Pache or Waters.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 13, 2020 20:16:30 GMT -5
I would caution that Ozuna just had a .778 career OPS coming into this season, because he has long dry spells. Over the course of 162 games it would show eventually.
Having said that, IF we know for sure we'll have the DH in the NL then I think you have to go ahead and try to sign him if it can be done reasonably and take your chances.
And I agree Freddie first, he'll probably cut us a break but not a huge one, then try to sign Ozuna to a reasonable deal. I have no guess what he might be expecting or what he could get on the open market, his price obviously skyrockets if he maintains this pace he's on and we get the DH in the NL.
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Post by brady2705 on Sept 13, 2020 20:17:18 GMT -5
Extend Freddie first See if you can extend Ozuna if you feel the DH becomes permanent,(which it will). Do not trade Pache or Waters unless the return is an absolute #1 TOR guy you can control. I understand the desire, but Freddie's already signed for 2021, Ozuna is not. Ideally, lock them both up, but Ozuna's hourglass will run out of sand first. We'll be buying Freddie's age 32+ seasons in his next contract, so he shouldn't expect to be paid like he's Mike Trout or Kookie Betts. I would think 4/$100 or 5/$120 would do it for Freddie.
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Post by brady2705 on Sept 13, 2020 20:25:02 GMT -5
I would caution that Ozuna just had a .778 career OPS coming into this season, because he has long dry spells. Over the course of 162 games it would show eventually. Ozuna's last two years however he battled injuries. He can swing just fine now, but you can tell he'll never be able to throw again with his shoulder injury. One important thing, Ozuna was a big bad-luck guy the last 2 years. His StatCast data suggested he should have been putting up much rosier stats, closer to that monster 2017 season he had in Miami. A lot of at'em balls. This year, things are balancing back out. 2017 xBA was .284, xSLG was .510 2018 xBA was .288, xSLG was .502 2019 xBA was .281, xSLG was .549
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 13, 2020 20:33:43 GMT -5
I would caution that Ozuna just had a .778 career OPS coming into this season, because he has long dry spells. Over the course of 162 games it would show eventually. Ozuna's last two years however he battled injuries. He can swing just fine now, but you can tell he'll never be able to throw again with his shoulder injury. One important thing, Ozuna was a big bad-luck guy the last 2 years. His StatCast data suggested he should have been putting up much rosier stats, closer to that monster 2017 season he had in Miami. A lot of at'em balls. This year, things are balancing back out. 2017 xBA was .284, xSLG was .510 2018 xBA was .288, xSLG was .502 2019 xBA was .281, xSLG was .549 I'm all in with taking our chances depending on how insane the price ends up being. He's won me over with his offense and the prospect of the DH being a reality. I love how calm his bat and his hands are, and how level most of his swings are. He keeps the bat on the contact plane for a LONG time, that aspect reminds me of Sheffield's swing.
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Post by brady2705 on Sept 13, 2020 20:51:24 GMT -5
Love that comp. Never thought about it before, but that short/quick swing is a heck of a lot like Sheff's.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 13, 2020 21:20:20 GMT -5
Uck, you were spot on about his defense. If anything, it's even worse than you warned. I think he benefits greatly from not having to worry about defense. He won a gold glove one year, so sucking in the field had to really bother him. I think he's a solid .280/30/100 guy with a high .800s type OPS going forward as a DH, and he doesn't turn 30 until later this year. He's a great clubhouse guy, too, which never hurts.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 13, 2020 21:52:46 GMT -5
One added benefit most of you are missing out on, and this will make you REALLY happy.....Cardinal fans are blowing gaskets left and right over what Ozuna is doing for us. He wasn't nearly this good while he was in St. Louis, and about half their fans wanted him to move on. Even that half is pissed off now, because the Cardinals offense is so weak. It was weak last year WITH Ozuna, and they did nothing to replace his bat. Oh man 100% of them are mad as hell and it's great to see. I don't know how things are going to play out with the wild card and all, but I'd love to play those fuggers in the playoffs again this year and destroy them.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 13, 2020 22:35:26 GMT -5
That always makes me happy.
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Post by hokiedan on Sept 14, 2020 17:28:50 GMT -5
It worked out well for AA...picked up Ozuna, who is playing well and not having to worry about him as a defensive liability plus not giving in to the pressure of throwing money and a long term deal at Donaldson who, at least to this point, is not paying off for the Twins.
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