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Post by akod on Sept 18, 2020 10:46:38 GMT -5
And if so, what's the cost? I think you have to, he's been an MVP caliber bat, and seems to really help with the clubhouse. I've only witnessed him bringing a positive vibes in the dugout shots, and think he's become a critical part of this team. This is even more important if the NL adopts the DH full time, which I think is inevitable. 4 years, $80M prevents him from going to FA? Then you have to bring back Melancon at a reduced rate, something like $10-12M/per for 2 years or so. Waters must be packaged for a starter, probably with a high end pitcher and maybe someone to take a flyer on like Camargo. Thank God we have another year locked up for d'Arnaud, he'd be very expensive to resign this off-season. With Soroka coming back, Anderson's emergence, and if we resign the right guys ... This team could be deadly in 2021. 1. RF R Acuna 2. 2B S Albies 3. 1B L Freeman 4. DH R Ozuna 5. C R d'Arnaud 6. SS R Swanson 7. LF R Duvall 8. 3B R Riley 9. CF R Pache 1. Inciarte 2. Flowers / Jackson? 3. Hech? 4. Markakis? 5. Culberson? 1. L Fried 2. R Soroka 3. R Anderson 4. ? Trade 5. ? Wright / Newk / Touki / Folty / Davidson / Wilson / ? 1. R Melancon 2. L Smith 3. R Greene 4. L Minter 5. R O'Day 6. L Matzek 7. R Jackson 8. R Tomlin Nostradamus AKOD: This offseason the board goes rabble rabble resign Ozuna. AA let’s Ozuna walk for good money. AA finds another guy looking for a payday and a prove it year. New guy outperforms Ozuna. Board goes rabble rabble resign new guy.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 18, 2020 13:42:12 GMT -5
And if so, what's the cost? I think you have to, he's been an MVP caliber bat, and seems to really help with the clubhouse. I've only witnessed him bringing a positive vibes in the dugout shots, and think he's become a critical part of this team. This is even more important if the NL adopts the DH full time, which I think is inevitable. 4 years, $80M prevents him from going to FA? Then you have to bring back Melancon at a reduced rate, something like $10-12M/per for 2 years or so. Waters must be packaged for a starter, probably with a high end pitcher and maybe someone to take a flyer on like Camargo. Thank God we have another year locked up for d'Arnaud, he'd be very expensive to resign this off-season. With Soroka coming back, Anderson's emergence, and if we resign the right guys ... This team could be deadly in 2021. 1. RF R Acuna 2. 2B S Albies 3. 1B L Freeman 4. DH R Ozuna 5. C R d'Arnaud 6. SS R Swanson 7. LF R Duvall 8. 3B R Riley 9. CF R Pache 1. Inciarte 2. Flowers / Jackson? 3. Hech? 4. Markakis? 5. Culberson? 1. L Fried 2. R Soroka 3. R Anderson 4. ? Trade 5. ? Wright / Newk / Touki / Folty / Davidson / Wilson / ? 1. R Melancon 2. L Smith 3. R Greene 4. L Minter 5. R O'Day 6. L Matzek 7. R Jackson 8. R Tomlin Nostradamus AKOD: This offseason the board goes rabble rabble resign Ozuna. AA let’s Ozuna walk for good money. AA finds another guy looking for a payday and a prove it year. New guy outperforms Ozuna. Board goes rabble rabble resign new guy. You're likely right that a few nutjobs will go off the deep end when Ozuna gets some outrageous offers and we pass, but most sensible folks here have already said sign him if it can be done reasonably. Which likely won't be doable, because if the DH is going to be in the NL his value is going to skyrocket. Of course there will be a few nuts who will claim it was doable even if the number is extremely outrageous and call AA and Liberty cheapskates.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 18, 2020 16:38:30 GMT -5
Well of course that's going to happen because everyone knows that Liberty just wants to rape our profits and AA has no real desire to win.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 18, 2020 16:53:53 GMT -5
Well of course that's going to happen because everyone knows that Liberty just wants to rape our profits and AA has no real desire to win. Plusssssss 1000. We could have a $500M payroll if they really wanted to win. Liberty is so rich they could afford it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 19:59:01 GMT -5
I am a fan, of course I want to keep every single good player that comes around here and keep him long term
But realistically, for what it likely will cost in terms of years, we need to put assets in other places including an extension for Freddie Freeman which is not going to be cheap
Like JD, I think I will go on the side of saying thanks for the memories for one year and let some other team overpay.
And I really appreciate the contribution both guys have done for this franchise. We all do
If the FO spends it should be on at least one and maybe two if the budget allows on a decent representative MLB pitcher, no there are not real aces out there but there are mid tiered guys this FA season
We can find a DH
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 20:00:43 GMT -5
If you do you can trade waters for an arm. No. Waters is going to be a low cost producer for a few yrs, try to get a mid tiered arm in FA
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 18, 2020 21:36:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Waters, he's going to be a young Markakis, which was a pretty good ballplayer.
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Post by peteorr on Sept 19, 2020 10:22:59 GMT -5
I would not extend Ozuna. I didn't want him to begin with. Was wrong about that. I'm doubling down now. Ozuna's defense is DH level as I thought it would be. Ozuna's career wRC+ before this season was 110 or slightly north of there. Ozuna is in the midst of only his third season that I would consider truly valuable. He won't repeat 2014 because he no longer plays defense as well as he did then. In my opinion extending Ozuna or signing him as a Free agent means you very much buy into his hitting. There were rumors this offseason that Ozuna had multiyear offers that he didn't take because they were at a lower AAV than what the Braves offered. The rumors could've been wrong of course, but assuming they were correct, Ozuna will now be looking for a multiyear deal and an increase in AAV. How would you all feel about a 4/$100M for Ozuna? I'm not all that excited about the prospects of that and I doubt the front office and ownership are either.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 19, 2020 10:59:18 GMT -5
No... I would not give him that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 19, 2020 12:38:10 GMT -5
I think he would get at least that much if the DH is going to be in the NL.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 19, 2020 15:16:31 GMT -5
He may but with the other bats in our lineup, I think we can find someone else more reasonable that will do well enough.
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Post by bbnforthea on Sept 19, 2020 15:20:21 GMT -5
I think he would get at least that much if the DH is going to be in the NL. Yep, absolutely. If there's a full time DH in the NL that's a steal. "Well enough" would be a massive disappointment.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 19, 2020 15:35:52 GMT -5
Especially if "well enough" is Markakis.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 19, 2020 16:33:19 GMT -5
I figured Freeman gets the 4/$100, not Ozuna, although I do think that Ozuna has found his comfort zone as a DH. Dude can rake.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 19, 2020 16:40:10 GMT -5
Especially if "well enough" is Markakis. If we keep Markakis, I'm gonna toilet paper AA's lawn, his momma's lawn and his in-laws' lawn. I might put sugar in his gas tank for good measure, too.
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