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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 7, 2018 10:42:31 GMT -5
Braves Spring BattlesI'm pretty excited to see Wisler performing well enough to get back into the conversation.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 7, 2018 16:53:40 GMT -5
I was one of the last to give up on him because he did show potential at times, but last year was beyond brutal. He has a long way to go to win me back but I'm rooting for him.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 7, 2018 16:58:35 GMT -5
Well positive signs is positive.
I always thought Blair would have to use pin point control to be successful and for that reason he may struggle, but I always thought Wisler had good enough stuff to be a solid #4 type guy. When it got ugly... it got real ugly, and he looked totally lost out there. My hope is that he was so shook up that anything from last season was bound to fall apart, but an off-season would let him clear his head. It's like when your golf game goes south.. the best thing you can do is walk away from the clubs for a bit, and come back having forgotten all the bad habits.
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Post by turnerfield on Mar 7, 2018 19:14:25 GMT -5
There is something about this spring already. I think the Braves surprise a lot of people this year. I'm predicting that one of either our starting pitching staff or offense is one of the top staffs/offenses for a large portion of the year. Whatever portions of the year we are really good will give us a WC spot or close to it.
I think Teheran has a bounce back year and has the best year of his career up to this point. Folty breaks out similar to how Beachy broke out the year before he got hurt, but Folty won't get hurt. McCarthy pitches good enough to be a strong 3 behind Teheran and Folty. And then we get solid starts out of the 4th and 5th spot between a combo of Wisler/Newcomb/Soroka/Gohara whoever. It wouldn't surprise me if Wisler/Blair are two of the best arms coming out of our bullpen in 2019. It's nice to dream.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 7, 2018 19:37:01 GMT -5
I like it. I am not sure we get a WC spot, but I think we can be on the list late in the season.
I would be happy 78-80 wins. We’re still a couple of pieces away.
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Post by jahgentle on Mar 7, 2018 23:01:35 GMT -5
I like it. I am not sure we get a WC spot, but I think we can be on the list late in the season. I would be happy 78-80 wins. We’re still a couple of pieces away. I obviously can't predict what AA will do with this team or how successful he will be but I do know he is really liked around here. My cousin worked with him in the legal dept and everyone who has worked with AA loved the guy and still miss him. Just a really good guy. So the good chemistry and relations in the FO should be really good again after that Coppy whathaveyou. I forgot to cancel my MLB for the second year in a row so I might be forced to watch some baseball this year to get my money's worth. I've always preferred to watch young upcoming teams over those meh almost but not quite good enough teams Wren put together.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 7, 2018 23:53:15 GMT -5
Nothing is worse than false hope, and that’s what the Frank Wren teams were. They were a glamour on top of a pig.
Some preferred that thinking that being in the chase meant you had a chance, but I’ll take what we are doing now which is building a team and organization not held together with duct tape and some nice varnish. All I wanted was to see consistent progress, and I’ve seen it.
An actual plan is so much better than throwing a dress on a sow and falsely propping yourself up.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 8, 2018 0:06:47 GMT -5
Nothing is worse than false hope, and that’s what the Frank Wren teams were. They were a glamour on top of a pig. Some preferred that thinking that being in the chase meant you had a chance, but I’ll take what we are doing now which is building a team and organization not held together with duct tape and some nice varnish. All I wanted was to see consistent progress, and I’ve seen it. An actual plan is so much better than throwing a dress on a sow and falsely propping yourself up. That's actually been a hot topic this off-season. A lot of teams eschewing the idea of being a "competitive" .500 team and embracing the tank. The Braves certainly would have been in that category the last few years, but this year they're out of that hole. Now, they're in that final stage of a rebuild where the team is young and getting experience. It's certainly possible they could surprise as more teams embrace the tank as the year goes on.
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Post by jahgentle on Mar 8, 2018 0:11:23 GMT -5
Nothing is worse than false hope, and that’s what the Frank Wren teams were. They were a glamour on top of a pig. Some preferred that thinking that being in the chase meant you had a chance, but I’ll take what we are doing now which is building a team and organization not held together with duct tape and some nice varnish. All I wanted was to see consistent progress, and I’ve seen it. An actual plan is so much better than throwing a dress on a sow and falsely propping yourself up. And that's exactly why I quit watching. It grew tiresome. I know that can be considered a bandwagon fan but I can't keep watching if I'm no longer entertained.same logic I apply to movies ect but I like where things are headed now
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 9, 2018 22:32:35 GMT -5
The Braves have sent 10 down, trimming the roster to 48
Kolby Allard and Soroka Pache
Those were the biggest names.
Allard and Soroka will still probably see time in the ATL, sooner than later.
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Post by cartman302 on Mar 9, 2018 22:38:55 GMT -5
If memory serves, the team's ERA this year was similar to the 2016 team's.
That said, the eye test tells me Julio, Wisler, Folty, and others took a step backward.
I think Roger McDowell (and the Braves) needed a change of scenery, but to me, (no hard numbers) Chuck Hernandez is ineffective at best, and sucks, at worst, as a pitching coach.
Who has he improved? If he has been effective, I'd like to know---but I haven't seen anything from him.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 9, 2018 22:48:55 GMT -5
He had a good reputation in the minors for developing guys, but I am unsure how that translates to the major leagues.
I have to be honest when I say I think the Braves coaching staff as a whole are really placeholders. There were lots of things I questioned about all of them, but I didn’t say much because “better than Frego!”
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Post by jahgentle on Mar 9, 2018 22:59:16 GMT -5
" “better than Frego!”
just seeing his name mentioned and I start laughing, everything about that guy including his big egg head
I honestly have no dislike for the man he made me laugh so many times.
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Post by cartman302 on Mar 10, 2018 9:40:42 GMT -5
He was so much like Bobby it was scary.
I admit up front, I'm "one of those fans" that thought BC was overrated as a manager--- did less with more in the playoffs than I can remember. No hate intended, but I was as invested a fan from 1989 on as anyone, and I believe to a certain extent Bobby helped cement the "Runner-Up" or "Lovable Loser" mentality in our fair city as anyone in history.
That said, I liked the Frego pick at the time, and never hated on him. He DID however, do the same stuff that Bobby was famous for---sitting a hot bat due to the L-R splits, pull starters too early, leave relievers in too long, use the wrong PH, stick with vets on the decline, and countless other infuriating decision/non-decisions.
The better question is, is the next Braves' manager on the current staff now?
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Post by jahgentle on Mar 10, 2018 10:00:42 GMT -5
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