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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 10, 2020 20:23:54 GMT -5
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman The Braves optioned Newcomb to the alternate training site
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 10, 2020 20:25:02 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl Snitker indicated #Braves leaning toward bringing up one of the prospects to replace Newcomb.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 10, 2020 20:26:11 GMT -5
My question is, to meet the goal of a world series any time soon do you try to make a trade for an impact pitcher to go along with Soroka and Fried, or do you hope one of these prospects is ready to go out of the gate?
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 10, 2020 20:26:34 GMT -5
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman The Braves optioned Newcomb to the alternate training site Permanently i hope
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 10, 2020 20:27:00 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl Snitker indicated #Braves leaning toward bringing up one of the prospects to replace Newcomb. Davidson
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 10, 2020 20:41:31 GMT -5
Just watched Snit's interview. He was audibly pissed and frustrated with newcomb. He didn't rule out bringing him back as a reliever, but you could tell by the way he talked that he's fed up with Newcomb as a starter.
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 10, 2020 21:15:42 GMT -5
One thing noticed about Newcomb as a starter is that he is very deliberate (i.e takes a lot of time between pitches). He loses rhythm and thus control. Last year when he came out of the pen he was ready to pitch immediately and was working fast and throwing a ton of strikes and walking way less batters. He often had batters calling for time because he was working so fast. Why doesn't he do that or least work a bit faster as a starter? Is he trying to pace himself as a starter by resting a little between pitches whereas he can go all out for an inning in the bullpen? Just an observation.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 11, 2020 1:55:25 GMT -5
He's the deer in the headlights. Pitches scared all the time. I don't think you can fix that, or at least the Braves can't. We're the total opposite of the organization of 25 years ago that developed pitchers better than anybody. Nowadays, it's just one failure after another. One has to wonder what's going on.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 11, 2020 2:15:16 GMT -5
He's the deer in the headlights. Pitches scared all the time. I don't think you can fix that, or at least the Braves can't. We're the total opposite of the organization of 25 years ago that developed pitchers better than anybody. Nowadays, it's just one failure after another. One has to wonder what's going on. maybe Sims was right in his criticism about the organization failing to develop pitchers. Not every pitcher is going go be deGrom or Maddux, but you'd think there would be more than two that would at least be serviceable.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 11, 2020 2:26:25 GMT -5
He's the deer in the headlights. Pitches scared all the time. I don't think you can fix that, or at least the Braves can't. We're the total opposite of the organization of 25 years ago that developed pitchers better than anybody. Nowadays, it's just one failure after another. One has to wonder what's going on. maybe Sims was right in his criticism about the organization failing to develop pitchers. Not every pitcher is going go be deGrom or Maddux, but you'd think there would be more than two that would at least be serviceable. Fried and Soroka. That's pretty much it. Folty had one good year, and he wasn't a Braves farm product anyway. Sims is just one of our many failures. All the noise that Coppy made basically resulted in Fried on the pitching side. Our entire bullpen was acquired via trades or free agency. The organization is producing no pitching at all. I fully expect Anderson, et al to flop as well. Soroka looks like an outlier.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 2:33:14 GMT -5
Just watched Snit's interview. He was audibly pissed and frustrated with newcomb. He didn't rule out bringing him back as a reliever, but you could tell by the way he talked that he's fed up with Newcomb as a starter. Fair enough, he should be frustrated with how Newk has pitched. But, Snit did have enough history on him and should have known what he was or could be getting into when he brought back Newk to the rotation. So Snit and those around him whether it be Kranitz or the FO should be frustrated with themselves for their own mistake. Its clear he cannot handle the role of SP, from last yr it was clear that he belongs in the pen. Its the FO that moved on from guys like Anabel Sanchez and Dallas Keuchel in recent yrs to go to the kids and for the most part the pitching development is not working. Its a problem at the top. The powers that be have to make better decisions As for Soroka, we have to hope the injury issues are not going to cut him short like it did in the Jurrjens, Beachy, Medlen and Hanson era. Now, say what you will about the Wren years but save for injury we got more out of the prospects in that 2009-12 era then what we have gotten from most of that stockpile of young pitchers we thought we had - Fried and Soroka when healthy the exceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 2:42:29 GMT -5
I hope Anderson can show more than Wright has to date
Too early to give up on Wright who was fairly good his last time out, maybe the best game of his career to date. But from what we have seen with all these Coppy era flops, its hard to feel good about it.
Julio Teheran would not look that bad this day in time for all his imperfections
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 2:48:37 GMT -5
Sean Newcomb ranks down with Chuck James and Jojo Reyes level of ineptitude. Actually, I rank Yo Yo Reybum as the worst of the worst, of the entire ATL history of the franchise he was so horrible Aaron Blair was nearly as bad. Chuck James, if I remember right it was injuries that cut his career As bad as Newk is, Jo Jo is the king of worst ever Brave
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 11, 2020 9:22:51 GMT -5
Sean Newcomb ranks down with Chuck James and Jojo Reyes level of ineptitude. Actually, I rank Yo Yo Reybum as the worst of the worst, of the entire ATL history of the franchise he was so horrible Aaron Blair was nearly as bad. Chuck James, if I remember right it was injuries that cut his career As bad as Newk is, Jo Jo is the king of worst ever Brave Reyes Blair James Wisler Newcomb Foltynewicz as far as more recent times go. Too early yet on Wright, but he's leaning on the flop side. Id be tempted to toss Wilson in as well, just haven't seen anything at all from him, though it's still early in his case too. Bottom line is its pretty disappointing how lacking the organization is at developing young starting pitching.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 11, 2020 9:30:25 GMT -5
I'm totally onboard with believing we have an organizational issue with pitchers.
The lack of development with so many of them points to a problem, and the very few success stories do not alleviate those concerns.
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