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Post by turnerfield on Apr 5, 2019 15:38:06 GMT -5
1. Evan Gattis
Braves receive - Mike Foltynewicz, Andrew Thurman, and Rio Ruiz.
I would say that was a success because of Folty.
2. Justin Upon
Braves receive - Max Fried, Jace Peterson, Dustin Peterson, and Mallex Smith.
If Fried turns out how I think he's going to turn out at this point, another successful trade.
3. Jason Heyward and Jordan Walden
Braves receive - Tyrell Jenkins and Shelby Miller
Another success in my book. Miller was used to get Dansby and Ender for nothing. We also are not missing Heyward.
4. Tommy La Stella
Braves receive - Arodys Vizcaino
Think we can agree Viz is more valuable than Tommy and hopefully he keeps developing.
5. Craig Kimbrel and BJ Upton
Braves receive - Jordan Paroubeck, Cameron Maybin, Carlos Quentin, Matt Wisler
We ended up not getting much from this trade but getting rid of BJ was definitely worth it.
6. Philip Gosselin
Braves receive - Bronson Arroyo and Touki Toussaint
I still can't even believe that the D-Backs did this.
7. Andrelton Simmons
Braves receive - Chris Ellis, Erick Aybar, Sean Newcomb and cash.
This one is still tough to judge. Might have a better idea after another year of Newk. Might be the toughest loss of all these trades so far.
There are a number of other trades I am missing from this time period but I think I got all the big ones.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 5, 2019 16:16:26 GMT -5
The Kimbrel/BJ trade is always going to piss me off to begin with, but then a year after the trade BJ ran his mouth in an article talking about how pissed off he was that people weren't happy with his performance in Atlanta. The MFer helped play a big role in us having to rebuild, but we weren't supposed to hold that against him.
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Post by camarFANgo on Apr 5, 2019 16:46:11 GMT -5
The Kimbrel/BJ trade is always going to piss me off to begin with, but then a year after the trade BJ ran his mouth in an article talking about how pissed off he was that people weren't happy with his performance in Atlanta. The MFer helped play a big role in us having to rebuild, but we weren't supposed to hold that against him. I'm likely never to recover from the Andrelton trade.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 5, 2019 19:25:01 GMT -5
Overall we faired very well with these moves. We were going nowhere with that roster. Even the Kimbrel trade... we didn't need an expensive closer on a team that was gping to be rebuilding and we got rid of BJ. Andrelton... still not written in stone the final results of that one but even if you count it as a loss, you can't expect to win every single move you make when you make so many.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 5, 2019 21:23:58 GMT -5
The Kimbrel/BJ trade is always going to piss me off to begin with, but then a year after the trade BJ ran his mouth in an article talking about how pissed off he was that people weren't happy with his performance in Atlanta. The MFer helped play a big role in us having to rebuild, but we weren't supposed to hold that against him. He actually said that? That's some balls, because he was about as bad as it's possible to be.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 5, 2019 21:29:07 GMT -5
I initially defended the Simmons trade, but that one stings.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 5, 2019 21:48:09 GMT -5
It stings in hindsight because Simmons all of a sudden became a much better offensive player than he had ever been before at the MLB level.
It may sting now, but I don't think it stings in a way that you can go back and claim the architects of the move were morons.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 5, 2019 21:50:10 GMT -5
It stings in hindsight because Simmons all of a sudden became a much better offensive player than he had ever been before at the MLB level. It may sting now, but I don't think it stings in a way that you can go back and claim the architects of the move were morons. When I look back, it was just a big giant unnecessary risk, that still has yet to pay off. If you would have told me that the Braves would trade Simmons for a #3 starter with control problems, I'd have been pissed.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 5, 2019 22:09:43 GMT -5
If that's the final result of the trade, then yeah...
But we gave up a guy who at the time was coming off two seasons of 75 and 81 OPS+ with about a cumulative 7.2 WAR.
Dansby gave us 88 OPS+ last year and 2.3 WAR in an injury riddled season, and Newk isn't a finished product. Simmons production in the past few years wouldn't have propelled us to mich farther than where we went anyway, and I think the future is in our favor with those two vs Simmons.
I am not saying we won that trade at all.... as it stands at this moment.. but I think it's still too early to put a definitive final grade on it, and I don't judge trades in a vacuum. If Newk turns out to be a solid 3 which is still on the low side of possibility with him, and Dansby ends up being a solid player; this trade wont sting enough to bother me very much.
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Post by bravter on Apr 5, 2019 22:22:00 GMT -5
I was hoping Rio Ruiz would be our new Martin Prado. He's had a good Spring Training and is playing in the majors with Baltimore.
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Post by akod on Apr 6, 2019 11:36:02 GMT -5
Kimbrel trade netted Riley, can’t evaluate this trade yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 17:12:43 GMT -5
It took some yrs but Fried is making the Justin Upton deal good. He is looking like the real deal who should be in the rotation for the next decade. Of course when a guy has TJ surgery you never know when it creeps back up again. If we get 6 -8 yrs from him as a legit SP, cannot ask for much more
Mallex Smith who was used to get Gohara, who knows about him.
As for Newcomb, its about control, a win win for both teams
Kimbrel was a salary dump - we knew that - Wisler was supposed to be a good prospect - they do not all work out
It took a while for Folty but he finally figured out after yr 4
As for Touki - we did not give much for him even if he does not make a big impact
Still hated the process - never want to see 3 yrs of 90 or more losses again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 17:17:18 GMT -5
Fair to say is the BJ Upton is the most disliked player in ATL Braves history
Can you come up with anyone close
His sign and the sign of Nick Esasky were the two worst FA signs I can think of - but BJ was a much more unlikable person and player
At least Esasky did have the injury reason - was a big contract for the time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 2:31:01 GMT -5
Newcomb is a bad trade -- after tonight, enough is enough
Don't think he would bring much in a trade either. Big arm - Big stuff no control just another scatter-arm wannabee
Stupid Coppy - another one of his bad moves - Coppy Gate was a blessing in disguise that incompetent would still be around mucking up this franchise
Also note that two of his first rounders Allard and Kyle Wright are not looking so hot to date -- When Wright is 65 are some of you going to keep saying "oh-- give him more t-ii-mm-ee - Blah Blah Blah either he can grow up and get the job done or he can't
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 14, 2019 11:17:55 GMT -5
Newcomb is a bad trade -- after tonight, enough is enough Don't think he would bring much in a trade either. Big arm - Big stuff no control just another scatter-arm wannabee Stupid Coppy - another one of his bad moves - Coppy Gate was a blessing in disguise that incompetent would still be around mucking up this franchise Also note that two of his first rounders Allard and Kyle Wright are not looking so hot to date -- When Wright is 65 are some of you going to keep saying "oh-- give him more t-ii-mm-ee - Blah Blah Blah either he can grow up and get the job done or he can't This is a really dumb take. An you come off like an a-hole.
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