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Post by jahgentle on Jul 28, 2018 13:45:08 GMT -5
Wisler was a top 50 prospect at one time -- I think he was 34th overall in the SD organization He also had a creditable rookie yr but inconsistent -- who knew he would be a bust And remember Jo Jo Reyes -- he was ahead of Matt Harrison at the time they traded Texiera in that deal to Texas -- look at the delivery and supposed stuff he seemed to have - he could not do it in the majors A heck of an AAA pitcher though They are trade scared to move that wrong guy -- you play scared you get burned and I see that as the future They were supposed to open payroll for next yr but what they do, I am not betting the rent money they will go over what the payroll was this yr -- could even be lower What is that new revenue doing - paying down Liberty's capital debt I guess that seems to be their big MO in this era Riley might not be as good as Moose but hey its always about the future from what AA has shown me here is my prediction for the offseason....we will be in on every big name player on the Rumor board.AA will be cautious and in doing so Some team will backdoor AA and Sign Markakis . and then a team like the Phillies with 100 mil to spend will sign both Many and Harper. and then teams will scramble to get the scraps and over pay and AA will sit and watch waiting for the right deal till everyone is gone except a Hunter Pence Type and AA will sign him for 2-30 only to have him go down injured in first month which will cause AA to panic and trade for a OF he then will send Allard Wright and Anderson to Dodgers (because Dodgers need young pitching) for Kemp lol can't stop laughing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 14:45:00 GMT -5
It’s not hard to see that AA thinks the Braves are a year away, and it’s even less hard to see that his reasoning is because of the prospects in the pipeline that may have had to have been traded in order for the Braves to go all in. Lets hope that Riley, Drew Waters and Christian Pache can be as good as we hope One thing I will say in defense of holding on to these prospects is that given the over the top punishment we got from losing all those guys I can see why Alex wants to be so careful and judicious in holding on to the guys we have in the system and they are pretty much out of the ITL market for what, 2 more yrs now. When do they get their full ITL participation money again -- around 2020 or 21 -- not sure For that reason I can see the defense of Alex As for the payroll -- we will see what happens this off season but they really have to think twice on guys whom they lose a pick for The Braves were wrong for what Coppy did but I wonder what kind of punishment Manfred would have handed the Yankees or Dodgers for a similar thing
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 28, 2018 15:05:06 GMT -5
It’s not hard to see that AA thinks the Braves are a year away, and it’s even less hard to see that his reasoning is because of the prospects in the pipeline that may have had to have been traded in order for the Braves to go all in. Lets hope that Riley, Drew Waters and Christian Pache can be as good as we hope One thing I will say in defense of holding on to these prospects is that given the over the top punishment we got from losing all those guys I can see why Alex wants to be so careful and judicious in holding on to the guys we have in the system and they are pretty much out of the ITL market for what, 2 more yrs now. When do they get their full ITL participation money again -- around 2020 or 21 -- not sure For that reason I can see the defense of Alex As for the payroll -- we will see what happens this off season but they really have to think twice on guys whom they lose a pick for The Braves were wrong for what Coppy did but I wonder what kind of punishment Manfred would have handed the Yankees or Dodgers for a similar thing No matter what, the Braves will be able to keep both of their first round picks if they sign FAs that receive QO offers. So, there’s that.
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Post by peteorr on Jul 28, 2018 17:40:39 GMT -5
I agree. so why don't we become sellers? We could get some BP help for Markakis and still have the same chance of signing him for next season as we do now. the Indians are wanting a CF. Ender could be the guy they need Cleveland has a lot of OF prospects at the lower levels maybe we could get a couple. Sanchez is pitching great maybe more BP help. the thing is if we are not going to try to win till next year why not get pieces for the future now? totally agree. Sell out this year as someone else said, Houston, NYY, Boston, LA, Chicago Cubs, and possibly the phills and brewers are all better teams than us, one move won’t change this, even Machado wouldn’t have changed this. Sell out Neck, flowers/Suzuki if anyone will take them for some marginal prospects. This won’t be popular with the base though so I’m sure it won’t happen. But I think long term this is the way. This is kind of what was expected to happen before the season started. I agree that the Braves aren't World Series winners. However, they could reach the playoffs and that alone would be significant progress for this team. The Braves are 54-46. The Phils 2.5 game lead is not insurmountable. Run differential obviously isn't the end all be all. The Braves are ahead of the Phillies in that category. The Braves could add either Marcus Stroman or Sonny Gray and possibly a lesser addition for the playoff push. Both have shown ace potential. Gray is under team control through 2019 and Stroman through 2020.
I agree with the notion that trading players means they are less likely to return. The Braves might want to have one or all of Suzuki/Markakis/Flowers on next year's team. Would you be signing or trading for two catchers this offseaon? Would Alex Jackson be your backup catcher? Would selling now send the wrong message to Freeman, Folty, Newcomb, etc. (everyone who will be on the team beyond this season)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 17:57:03 GMT -5
totally agree. Sell out this year as someone else said, Houston, NYY, Boston, LA, Chicago Cubs, and possibly the phills and brewers are all better teams than us, one move won’t change this, even Machado wouldn’t have changed this. Sell out Neck, flowers/Suzuki if anyone will take them for some marginal prospects. This won’t be popular with the base though so I’m sure it won’t happen. But I think long term this is the way. This is kind of what was expected to happen before the season started. I agree that the Braves aren't World Series winners. However, they could reach the playoffs and that alone would be significant progress for this team. The Braves are 54-46. The Phils 2.5 game lead is not insurmountable. Run differential obviously isn't the end all be all. The Braves are ahead of the Phillies in that category. The Braves could add either Marcus Stroman or Sonny Gray and possibly a lesser addition for the playoff push. Both have shown ace potential. Gray is under team control through 2019 and Stroman through 2020.
I agree with the notion that trading players means they are less likely to return. The Braves might want to have one or all of Suzuki/Markakis/Flowers on next year's team. Would you be signing or trading for two catchers this offseaon? Would Alex Jackson be your backup catcher? Would selling now send the wrong message to Freeman, Folty, Newcomb, etc. (everyone who will be on the team beyond this season)?
Sonny Gray was not very good in 2016 and has not been good this yr but would not mind getting him cheap - not for even a well thought of mid tiered prospect
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:34:55 GMT -5
Alex Jackson should get a good look in ST next yr and if he earns it he deserves to be in the majors
Maybe a call up in September -- and do you give Riley a cup of coffee in September
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 28, 2018 22:09:35 GMT -5
Alex Jackson should get a good look in ST next yr and if he earns it he deserves to be in the majors Maybe a call up in September -- and do you give Riley a cup of coffee in September What has he done to deserve a ST invite?
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Post by Drkirby on Jul 28, 2018 23:58:54 GMT -5
Alex Jackson should get a good look in ST next yr and if he earns it he deserves to be in the majors Maybe a call up in September -- and do you give Riley a cup of coffee in September What has he done to deserve a ST invite? Can’t hit much worse than Flowzuki have in July
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 29, 2018 0:10:53 GMT -5
What has he done to deserve a ST invite? Can’t hit much worse than Flowzuki have in July Suzuki had a good June but Flowers was bad in June as well as July.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 29, 2018 0:15:13 GMT -5
What has he done to deserve a ST invite? Can’t hit much worse than Flowzuki have in July I’m sure Flowzuki would hit better than .200 in AAA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 0:30:32 GMT -5
Alex Jackson should get a good look in ST next yr and if he earns it he deserves to be in the majors Maybe a call up in September -- and do you give Riley a cup of coffee in September What has he done to deserve a ST invite? That is a good question but we have to find out if he can play at this level & he is one of the catching prospects in the organization who did have a good yr at the lower level last yr On last check has not been great this yr but then again, one yr ago I would have said what had Fried done to deserve a MLB call up and he has done better than his near 6 ERA at AA Mississippi, so as far as ST we have to see what we have. If he does well enough at Gwinnett might want to look at him in September if they are out if it by then In fact Fried has been better that I thought - might be a legit back of the rotation SP next yr for a full year - middle rotation guy- I have to see more and can he be healthy
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 29, 2018 0:45:49 GMT -5
What has he done to deserve a ST invite? That is a good question but we have to find out if he can play at this level & he is one of the catching prospects in the organization who did have a good yr at the lower level last yr On last check has not been great this yr but then again, one yr ago I would have said what had Fried done to deserve a MLB call up and he has done better than his near 6 ERA at AA Mississippi, so as far as ST we have to see what we have. If he does well enough at Gwinnett might want to look at him in September if they are out if it by then In fact Fried has been better that I thought - might be a legit back of the rotation SP next yr for a full year - middle rotation guy- I have to see more and can he be healthy I think him barely hitting .200 in AAA is a solid indicator on whether he can play in the majors.
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Post by Drkirby on Jul 29, 2018 1:08:47 GMT -5
What has he done to deserve a ST invite? That is a good question but we have to find out if he can play at this level & he is one of the catching prospects in the organization who did have a good yr at the lower level last yr On last check has not been great this yr but then again, one yr ago I would have said what had Fried done to deserve a MLB call up and he has done better than his near 6 ERA at AA Mississippi, so as far as ST we have to see what we have. If he does well enough at Gwinnett might want to look at him in September if they are out if it by then In fact Fried has been better that I thought - might be a legit back of the rotation SP next yr for a full year - middle rotation guy- I have to see more and can he be healthy As long as it isn’t wisler and sims I’m happy
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 29, 2018 4:09:35 GMT -5
from what AA has shown me here is my prediction for the offseason....we will be in on every big name player on the Rumor board.AA will be cautious and in doing so Some team will backdoor AA and Sign Markakis . and then a team like the Phillies with 100 mil to spend will sign both Many and Harper. and then teams will scramble to get the scraps and over pay and AA will sit and watch waiting for the right deal till everyone is gone except a Hunter Pence Type and AA will sign him for 2-30 only to have him go down injured in first month which will cause AA to panic and trade for a OF he then will send Allard Wright and Anderson to Dodgers (because Dodgers need young pitching) for Kemp lol can't stop laughing i couldn't resist. the Kemp thing. But I really do think the Phillies get Manny. and that AA will overpay for a mid-level OF. and wouldn't be shocked if he signs Donaldson to play 3B.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 29, 2018 9:07:57 GMT -5
totally agree. Sell out this year as someone else said, Houston, NYY, Boston, LA, Chicago Cubs, and possibly the phills and brewers are all better teams than us, one move won’t change this, even Machado wouldn’t have changed this. Sell out Neck, flowers/Suzuki if anyone will take them for some marginal prospects. This won’t be popular with the base though so I’m sure it won’t happen. But I think long term this is the way. This is kind of what was expected to happen before the season started. I agree that the Braves aren't World Series winners. However, they could reach the playoffs and that alone would be significant progress for this team. The Braves are 54-46. The Phils 2.5 game lead is not insurmountable. Run differential obviously isn't the end all be all. The Braves are ahead of the Phillies in that category. The Braves could add either Marcus Stroman or Sonny Gray and possibly a lesser addition for the playoff push. Both have shown ace potential. Gray is under team control through 2019 and Stroman through 2020.
I agree with the notion that trading players means they are less likely to return. The Braves might want to have one or all of Suzuki/Markakis/Flowers on next year's team. Would you be signing or trading for two catchers this offseaon? Would Alex Jackson be your backup catcher? Would selling now send the wrong message to Freeman, Folty, Newcomb, etc. (everyone who will be on the team beyond this season)?
pete I agree selling could be bad for the teams' mindset. but also making no moves has already done that. this team is Flat right now and you know it has to be discouraging to see the other teams in the hunt trying to get better while we do nothing.
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