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Post by Drkirby on Jul 28, 2018 9:10:14 GMT -5
This is all I've seen so far about it:
Did they really give up much for Moose - its not like these teams are giving up the farm for these guys they are getting Even the Dodgers did not leave themselves bare for the best rental of em all Then again, for third base we should be focused on Riley for next yr and he should get his chance From your posts, its as if you did not really want they to get anybody if it took giving up anything of value - how many more yrs do you want to wait? One more yr, I can see that but at what point should they be called out for not trying to get better. How much longer is your patience threshold, one yr, two, that is a fair open ended question - not a troll but a fair question I say this off season they should be called out to do something serious. Real fans remember the Wainwright deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 9:16:04 GMT -5
Well, the Wainwright deal was one that got away but they did get one full yr out of JD and note that it was management that did not ante up to keep JD who had his bast yr in 2004.
And it took Wainwright a few yrs to become what he became --
The deal I hated was the Texiera deal to the Angels for a couple of broken bats and a catchers mitt sawed in half -- would have been better off taking the pick on that one -- one of those picks in the next draft turned to be what -- oh yes, Mike Trout - that guy
Casey Kotchman and Steve Marek -- what a joke
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 28, 2018 9:23:36 GMT -5
Did they really give up much for Moose - its not like these teams are giving up the farm for these guys they are getting Even the Dodgers did not leave themselves bare for the best rental of em all Then again, for third base we should be focused on Riley for next yr and he should get his chance From your posts, its as if you did not really want they to get anybody if it took giving up anything of value - how many more yrs do you want to wait? One more yr, I can see that but at what point should they be called out for not trying to get better. How much longer is your patience threshold, one yr, two, that is a fair open ended question - not a troll but a fair question I say this off season they should be called out to do something serious. Real fans remember the Wainwright deal. real fans remember the Len Barker trade. but we also remember the Crimedog trade too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 9:35:44 GMT -5
They really did not give up much for the Crime Dog who BELONGS IN COOPERSTOWN
Brian Kenney did a good analysis on him and his numbers overall were right up there with a number of HOF first basemen
Think he was rated ahead of Harmon Kilebrew in some areas -- 493 HRS and a strong average and OBP
What the H were they missing
The Barker trade -- that was a Ted Turner dum dum and Butler was a real legit MLB player at the time in 83.
I think that we want the powers that be to have a pulse and I am not seeing that now
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 28, 2018 9:40:26 GMT -5
We were rumored to be thinking about Asdrubal from the Mets, but he went to the Phillies for a single pitching prospect. Obviously the Braves are just not going to give up much of nothing for this season (and Philly is going all in) It's a tough pill to swallow for this season, but it seems at the moment that AA thinks we're still a year away and is playing for that and the long term. I agree. so why don't we become sellers? We could get some BP help for Markakis and still have the same chance of signing him for next season as we do now. the Indians are wanting a CF. Ender could be the guy they need Cleveland has a lot of OF prospects at the lower levels maybe we could get a couple. Sanchez is pitching great maybe more BP help. the thing is if we are not going to try to win till next year why not get pieces for the future now?
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 28, 2018 9:46:24 GMT -5
They really did not give up much for the Crime Dog who BELONGS IN COOPERSTOWN Brian Kenney did a good analysis on him and his numbers overall were right up there with a number of HOF first basemen Think he was rated ahead of Harmon Kilebrew in some areas -- 493 HRS and a strong average and OBP What the H were they missing The Barker trade -- that was a Ted Turner dum dum and Butler was a real legit MLB player at the time in 83. I think that we want the powers that be to have a pulse and I am not seeing that now don't forget the Dye trade.
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Post by Drkirby on Jul 28, 2018 11:14:29 GMT -5
We were rumored to be thinking about Asdrubal from the Mets, but he went to the Phillies for a single pitching prospect. Obviously the Braves are just not going to give up much of nothing for this season (and Philly is going all in) It's a tough pill to swallow for this season, but it seems at the moment that AA thinks we're still a year away and is playing for that and the long term. I agree. so why don't we become sellers? We could get some BP help for Markakis and still have the same chance of signing him for next season as we do now. the Indians are wanting a CF. Ender could be the guy they need Cleveland has a lot of OF prospects at the lower levels maybe we could get a couple. Sanchez is pitching great maybe more BP help. the thing is if we are not going to try to win till next year why not get pieces for the future now? totally agree. Sell out this year as someone else said, Houston, NYY, Boston, LA, Chicago Cubs, and possibly the phills and brewers are all better teams than us, one move won’t change this, even Machado wouldn’t have changed this. Sell out Neck, flowers/Suzuki if anyone will take them for some marginal prospects. This won’t be popular with the base though so I’m sure it won’t happen. But I think long term this is the way.
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Post by Drkirby on Jul 28, 2018 11:16:40 GMT -5
AND save Riley’s clock for next year in May. Ala Acuna.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 28, 2018 11:35:37 GMT -5
Bring up a couple of the young pitchers and hope the team catches fire again. That's realistically where we are, and we don't take any chance of giving up the wrong prospects.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 28, 2018 12:57:10 GMT -5
I would like to see us bring up a few pitchers who have pitched really well who are not MLB top 50 prospects. the reason is if let's say a guy like Parsons comes up and is as good in the Bigs as he was in the minors. his value Rises, however, let's say a guy like Allard comes up and is just ok well he will lose value. And the thing is we will have to take a chance and trade some of these pitching prospects. and it is a gamble we could trade the wrong one away. but if we wait and see what they have at the big league level they will lose value. for every 1 guy who ends up being good 2 will be Wisler. we just can't wait to long to move them like we have Wisler
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 13:05:56 GMT -5
For every 1 guy who ends up being good 2 will be Wisler. we just can't wait to long to move them like we have Wisler Wisler was a top 50 prospect at one time -- I think he was 34th overall in the SD organization He also had a creditable rookie yr but inconsistent -- who knew he would be a bust And remember Jo Jo Reyes -- he was ahead of Matt Harrison at the time they traded Texiera in that deal to Texas -- look at the delivery and supposed stuff he seemed to have - he could not do it in the majors A heck of an AAA pitcher though They are trade scared to move that wrong guy -- you play scared you get burned and I see that as the future They were supposed to open payroll for next yr but what they do, I am not betting the rent money they will go over what the payroll was this yr -- could even be lower What is that new revenue doing - paying down Liberty's capital debt I guess that seems to be their big MO in this era Riley might not be as good as Moose but hey its always about the future
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 13:08:00 GMT -5
Bring up a couple of the young pitchers and hope the team catches fire again. That's realistically where we are, and we don't take any chance of giving up the wrong prospects. Soroka got brought up and he gets hurt -- I hope what is really going on is that they are being extra careful with him but how long does the caution last Same with Gohara -- wonder what is really going on with these guys
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 28, 2018 13:28:49 GMT -5
For every 1 guy who ends up being good 2 will be Wisler. we just can't wait to long to move them like we have Wisler Wisler was a top 50 prospect at one time -- I think he was 34th overall in the SD organization He also had a creditable rookie yr but inconsistent -- who knew he would be a bust And remember Jo Jo Reyes -- he was ahead of Matt Harrison at the time they traded Texiera in that deal to Texas -- look at the delivery and supposed stuff he seemed to have - he could not do it in the majors A heck of an AAA pitcher though They are trade scared to move that wrong guy -- you play scared you get burned and I see that as the future They were supposed to open payroll for next yr but what they do, I am not betting the rent money they will go over what the payroll was this yr -- could even be lower What is that new revenue doing - paying down Liberty's capital debt I guess that seems to be their big MO in this era Riley might not be as good as Moose but hey its always about the future from what AA has shown me here is my prediction for the offseason....we will be in on every big name player on the Rumor board.AA will be cautious and in doing so Some team will backdoor AA and Sign Markakis . and then a team like the Phillies with 100 mil to spend will sign both Many and Harper. and then teams will scramble to get the scraps and over pay and AA will sit and watch waiting for the right deal till everyone is gone except a Hunter Pence Type and AA will sign him for 2-30 only to have him go down injured in first month which will cause AA to panic and trade for a OF he then will send Allard Wright and Anderson to Dodgers (because Dodgers need young pitching) for Kemp lol
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 28, 2018 13:30:42 GMT -5
We were rumored to be thinking about Asdrubal from the Mets, but he went to the Phillies for a single pitching prospect. Obviously the Braves are just not going to give up much of nothing for this season (and Philly is going all in) It's a tough pill to swallow for this season, but it seems at the moment that AA thinks we're still a year away and is playing for that and the long term. It’s not hard to see that AA thinks the Braves are a year away, and it’s even less hard to see that his reasoning is because of the prospects in the pipeline that may have had to have been traded in order for the Braves to go all in.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jul 28, 2018 13:32:52 GMT -5
Wisler was a top 50 prospect at one time -- I think he was 34th overall in the SD organization He also had a creditable rookie yr but inconsistent -- who knew he would be a bust And remember Jo Jo Reyes -- he was ahead of Matt Harrison at the time they traded Texiera in that deal to Texas -- look at the delivery and supposed stuff he seemed to have - he could not do it in the majors A heck of an AAA pitcher though They are trade scared to move that wrong guy -- you play scared you get burned and I see that as the future They were supposed to open payroll for next yr but what they do, I am not betting the rent money they will go over what the payroll was this yr -- could even be lower What is that new revenue doing - paying down Liberty's capital debt I guess that seems to be their big MO in this era Riley might not be as good as Moose but hey its always about the future from what AA has shown me here is my prediction for the offseason....we will be in on every big name player on the Rumor board.AA will be cautious and in doing so Some team will backdoor AA and Sign Markakis . and then a team like the Phillies with 100 mil to spend will sign both Many and Harper. and then teams will scramble to get the scraps and over pay and AA will sit and watch waiting for the right deal till everyone is gone except a Hunter Pence Type and AA will sign him for 2-30 only to have him go down injured in first month which will cause AA to panic and trade for a OF he then will send Allard Wright and Anderson to Dodgers (because Dodgers need young pitching) for Kemp lol Wow 2 pits of misery
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