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Post by PABraveFan on Jun 24, 2018 15:31:34 GMT -5
Is it possible we'll have an easy 9th? YES! That 2 run HR took the edge off.
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Post by winthorp on Jun 24, 2018 15:31:35 GMT -5
Is it possible we'll have an easy 9th? It is!! Fine winnage. 7-3
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jun 24, 2018 15:32:36 GMT -5
Slow clap š. Happy for today but not pleased about dropping this series.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 24, 2018 15:34:18 GMT -5
Maybe everyone will back off the ledge a little bit now.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 24, 2018 18:24:44 GMT -5
I agree with all the follow up Dansby posts.
Itās great that he hit that HR, that was huge. I was in the group that had a bad feeling about this game all day as it went along, it was nice to have that breathing room.
Like PA said, they completely smoked Dansby with two fastballs, then they tried to trick him which was just silly. Then they got a fastball on the inner half to him, which is the only pitch he can hit every single time he goes into a slump. Which tells me heās looking for something to pull too much.
And I agree his defense is light years ahead of where it was last year. Iām certainly not giving up on him, but Iām going to call him down when he deserves it and still say he should sit if others are playing considerably better than him. I think it would be good for him to feel like he has to compete for his job. But itās been the Braves way since Bobby Cox to hand a job to a guy and stick with him no matter what. It worked sometimes, and sometimes not, and was very aggravating when it didnāt work.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 24, 2018 18:56:44 GMT -5
That's all fair... I don't think anyone would disagree with playing the players who are playing best.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 24, 2018 19:48:07 GMT -5
That's all fair... I don't think anyone would disagree with playing the players who are playing best. Yeah except Snitker!!!
Just joking.....for now.....but we'll see what happens when Acuna comes back.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 24, 2018 20:05:43 GMT -5
Well they still see Swanson as the long term answer at SS, so yeah I fully expect him to be back in the lineup tomorrow. That's just how they roll.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 24, 2018 20:21:40 GMT -5
Well they still see Swanson as the long term answer at SS, so yeah I fully expect him to be back in the lineup tomorrow. That's just how they roll. Exactly.
Maybe it will pay off.
I've been on the fence with it all along, even more now than ever.
Somebody recently here compared Camargo to Prado when he first came up with the Braves--Camargo has a LONG way to go to make that a valid comparison in the long run, but it's possible it could be accurate. I was one of the people who did not like Kelly Johnson from day one and thought Prado should have been playing.
Camargo's OPS is .799 for this season. He won't be the guy to sit when Acuna comes back, but he may well end up giving up some playing time to Culberson, because Charlie has been playing so well.
I can't imagine in the long run Camargo will produce enough offensively to be a legit 3B, but he'd be a nice offensive player at SS. And we certainly don't lose anything defensively when he's playing short. To say the least.
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Post by Drkirby on Jun 24, 2018 21:15:05 GMT -5
Well they still see Swanson as the long term answer at SS, so yeah I fully expect him to be back in the lineup tomorrow. That's just how they roll. Exactly.
Maybe it will pay off.
I've been on the fence with it all along, even more now than ever.
Somebody recently here compared Camargo to Prado when he first came up with the Braves--Camargo has a LONG way to go to make that a valid comparison in the long run, but it's possible it could be accurate. I was one of the people whoĀ did not like Kelly Johnson from day one and thought Prado should have been playing.
Camargo's OPS is .799 for this season. He won't be the guy to sit when Acuna comes back, but he may well end up giving up some playing time to Culberson, because Charlie has been playing so well.
I can't imagine in the long run Camargo will produce enough offensively to be a legit 3B, but he'd be a nice offensive player at SS. And we certainly don't lose anything defensively when he's playing short. To say the least.
If Camargo gets sat when Acuna returns, my Prado comparison is confirmed. Heās always snubbed and everyone out there in the media is always listing 3B as a āāneedā 3B may be a āneedā but no way camargo should sit for Swanson, ever.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 24, 2018 21:35:14 GMT -5
Exactly.
Maybe it will pay off.
I've been on the fence with it all along, even more now than ever.
Somebody recently here compared Camargo to Prado when he first came up with the Braves--Camargo has a LONG way to go to make that a valid comparison in the long run, but it's possible it could be accurate. I was one of the people who did not like Kelly Johnson from day one and thought Prado should have been playing.
Camargo's OPS is .799 for this season. He won't be the guy to sit when Acuna comes back, but he may well end up giving up some playing time to Culberson, because Charlie has been playing so well.
I can't imagine in the long run Camargo will produce enough offensively to be a legit 3B, but he'd be a nice offensive player at SS. And we certainly don't lose anything defensively when he's playing short. To say the least.
If Camargo gets sat when Acuna returns, my Prado comparison is confirmed. Heās always snubbed and everyone out there in the media is always listing 3B as a āāneedā 3B may be a āneedā but no way camargo should sit for Swanson, ever. It's funny to think we have a "need" for an offensively productive third baseman, because we still have scored the most runs in the NL. As long as we're scoring runs, it seems to me like that's what matters. There's only 4 teams in the AL who have scored more, its the big 4 over there, the Red Sox, Yankees, Indians and Astros, and they haven't scored that many more runs than us.
If we did not try to add more of a power hitter at third for the stretch run, we could get burned by that. Unless Camargo can keep his OPS around .800 and the rest of the guys keep the bats going decently. If we did fail to add that player though and our offense tanks, our management would get raked over the coals by the media and by most fans. That seems to be a thing that most teams try to not take a chance with. It will be interesting to see.
Camargo has shown enough pop this year to think it might not be much of a stretch for him to be able to hit 20 HR in a full season. I would have said no way on that after last season, but he's showing some improvement with the power.
I like the idea of playing him every day and let's see how long he can keep this up. I am glad though that my livelihood does not teeter on making decisions like the one the Braves management will have to make with 3B for the rest of this season. Imagine if they did acquire Moustakas--then Camargo would be sure to sit, and be the new Prado.
But if we don't acquire a third baseman, then what if Camargo finishes this season with an .800+ OPS and Dansby ends with an OPS under .700? Riley is probably the third baseman next year.......and who should be our SS?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 24, 2018 22:47:30 GMT -5
115, 70, 92
101, 90, 75, 84, 91
Know what numbers those are?
The first 3 are Dansby's OPS+ his 1st 3 seasons.
The second set are Andrelton Simmons numbers the first 5.
Set defense aside. The big issue everyone has with Dansby and what everyone wants to talk about is his hitting, so let's not move the target and just keep talking about his hitting.
Many people hating on Dansby have said we made a mistake in giving up on Simmons developing as a hitter.
Dansby in fangraphs "high leverage" situations is batting .375 With men on base ahead of him is batting .313
I'm not happy with the situation, but this is why I am still patient with him.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 24, 2018 23:14:17 GMT -5
That's a valid point, but it is only for 19 PA's this year.
He did have a .341 high leverage avg last year, but it was still only 52 PA's.
His .313 avg with runners on this year is nice, for 106 PA's, it was also .238 last year for 253 PA's.
Interestingly, his medium leverage avg was .408 his first year, then .242 each of the last two years.
There's ways to make him look like he'll cut it, and there's ways to make it look like he's questionable. That's why I'm disappointed but not willing to give up on him. What's frustrating is his slumps all look the exact same. Striking out a ton, poor pitch recognition, swinging at a lot of bad pitches, trying to pull the ball too much......
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 24, 2018 23:45:50 GMT -5
but look at Simmons, and everyone says we gave up on his hitting too soon. I am sure he had smallish sample size positives as well. The big picture I was wanting to point out was totals based. 5 years of Dansbyesque numbers and people now say we gave up too soon.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 24, 2018 23:59:49 GMT -5
but look at Simmons, and everyone says we gave up on his hitting too soon. I am sure he had smallish sample size positives as well. The big picture I was wanting to point out was totals based. 5 years of Dansbyesque numbers and people now say we gave up too soon. Well I donāt agree with anybody who says we gave up on Andreltonās hitting too soon.
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