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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 12, 2019 0:38:03 GMT -5
Well yeah.. if you like engaging with lunacy.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 12, 2019 6:28:14 GMT -5
I didn't realize that players never improve, never have slumps, or weren't human, either. I mean, they LOOK human. Whodathunkit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 9:52:56 GMT -5
Players who have slumps deserve to be called out for it, winners get the glory and losers get the boot
Pitchers are the most frustrating of them all
I don't know how baseball managers keep their sanity with these pitchers given the ups and downs some of these guys put them though
You put a guy out there counting on them to be successful and you see what Gausman and Folty have done as of late, man cannot see how a manager or coach can put up with it - especially with pitching these guys are so wacky
Hey the Pirates have it worse with Archer who has been a big let down for them. He would be on my S list if I were a Pirates fan
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 12, 2019 10:09:25 GMT -5
Organizations groom and develop these pitchers to throw the ball as hard as they possibly can. Being wild and getting shellacked are as much parts of that approach as 97 MPH fastballs are. There's plenty of blame to go around. I suspect we will see a return to actual pitching again in the not too distant future.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:54:06 GMT -5
Organizations groom and develop these pitchers to throw the ball as hard as they possibly can. Being wild and getting shellacked are as much parts of that approach as 97 MPH fastballs are. There's plenty of blame to go around. I suspect we will see a return to actual pitching again in the not too distant future. How did it get to this point, and who were organizations listening to to get to this point Did the extreme analytical geeks take over development of pitchers over those who actually learned to pitch in the game a generation or two ago These kids are used up and burned out quickly -- once in a while you might see a Scherzer or Kershaw this day in time but its not what it was Travel ball has not helped, look at the kids who have had major arm problems before they even get the chance to be pros - and the high round picks that get major surgery a yr or two in their pro career. We have one kid like that in Max Fried who is finally starting to find his way - he missed a yr and a half very early on Brady Aiken had a major injury too if I remember right Who is running the development of these pitchers this day in time - its a good question A guy like John Smoltz would offer alot on the development of pitching -- will they even listed to him Listen to Brian Kenny its as if the day of the starting pitcher will go into insignificance how he got a job in baseball is a wonder
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 12, 2019 17:39:37 GMT -5
Throwing hard is great if it comes naturally, not so great if it doesn't. Travel ball is absurd at this point. Parents thinking their kid is the next big thing seems to be at epidemic levels. Kids need to be kids. Playing ball is awesome, but so is going fishing, camping, and hiking. If they have big time talent, it ain't going away just because you don't shell out thousands of bucks to Cal Ripken Jr
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 12, 2019 17:40:39 GMT -5
Players who have slumps deserve to be called out for it, winners get the glory and losers get the boot Pitchers are the most frustrating of them all I don't know how baseball managers keep their sanity with these pitchers given the ups and downs some of these guys put them though You put a guy out there counting on them to be successful and you see what Gausman and Folty have done as of late, man cannot see how a manager or coach can put up with it - especially with pitching these guys are so wacky Hey the Pirates have it worse with Archer who has been a big let down for them. He would be on my S list if I were a Pirates fan Apparently you think slumps can be completely avoided, which makes me think you must live on an island with sick WiFi cause you’ve succeeded at everything you’ve ever done, at every single opportunity you’ve come across.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 12, 2019 17:44:46 GMT -5
Players who have slumps deserve to be called out for it, winners get the glory and losers get the boot Pitchers are the most frustrating of them all I don't know how baseball managers keep their sanity with these pitchers given the ups and downs some of these guys put them though You put a guy out there counting on them to be successful and you see what Gausman and Folty have done as of late, man cannot see how a manager or coach can put up with it - especially with pitching these guys are so wacky Hey the Pirates have it worse with Archer who has been a big let down for them. He would be on my S list if I were a Pirates fan Apparently you think slumps can be completely avoided, which makes me think you must live on an island with sick WiFi cause you’ve succeeded at everything you’ve ever done, at every single opportunity you’ve come across. You mean to tell me that Riley was never gonna hit .450 with 80 homers and 200 RBIs? Bummer
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 12, 2019 17:49:36 GMT -5
“Players who have slumps should be called out for it”
I mean the sheer amount of conceit one has to have to make this statement with a straight face. The lack of humility over the honest truth that baseball is hard and rife with failure, and to sit there and say “If you’re not as successful as I think you should be then you should be called out for it” (While proving time and time again that only a handful of players would ever eclipse the bar you’ve set) honestly makes me feel blessed that I don’t have to deal with you in real life. I can only imagine the amount of stress, insecurity, and mental anguish you put on those people who have the unfortunate luck of being around you. It’s torturous, frankly.
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Post by brady2705 on Jun 12, 2019 18:27:44 GMT -5
Throwing hard is great if it comes naturally, not so great if it doesn't. Travel ball is absurd at this point. Parents thinking their kid is the next big thing seems to be at epidemic levels. Kids need to be kids. Playing ball is awesome, but so is going fishing, camping, and hiking. If they have big time talent, it ain't going away just because you don't shell out thousands of bucks to Cal Ripken Jr I think it's like this -- velocity is the single most readily measurable variable with pitching prospects, especially at the amateur level. It's a quantitative measurement that can be used to segregate prospects from one another. While we have the Statcast/PitchFX data up here, you can't effectively measure horizontal and vertical movement on an 82MPH sinker at the high school level. That kind of assessment becomes highly subjective, and then when you attempt to measure that against other subjective assessments of kids on the other end of the country ... It basically becomes a game of chance when it comes to measuring one kid against the other. Thus, if nothing else, the gun is an inarguable way to measure the kid in Florida against the kid in Oregon. I think that's led to organizations prioritizing it, which has invariably changed the way amateur baseball is played. You might have excellent high schoolers with movement and command at 82, but because it's 82 instead of 92, they're disinclined to shell out the cash for the premier amateur showcase leagues. What's the point; colleges and scouts will overlook them since they don't light it up, so why waste your parents' money? A lot of Kyle Hendricks out there who probably never even attempt to pitch beyond high school.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 14:04:19 GMT -5
Throwing hard is great if it comes naturally, not so great if it doesn't. Travel ball is absurd at this point. Parents thinking their kid is the next big thing seems to be at epidemic levels. Kids need to be kids. Playing ball is awesome, but so is going fishing, camping, and hiking. If they have big time talent, it ain't going away just because you don't shell out thousands of bucks to Cal Ripken Jr I think it's like this -- velocity is the single most readily measurable variable with pitching prospects, especially at the amateur level. It's a qualitative measurement that can be used to segregate prospects from one another. While he have the Statcast/PitchFX data up here, you can't effectively measure horizontal and vertical movement on an 82MPH sinker at the high school level. That kind of assessment becomes highly subjective, and then when you attempt to measure that against other subjective assessments of kids on the other end of the country ... It basically becomes a game of chance when it comes to measuring one kid against the other. Thus, if nothing else, the gun is an inarguable way to measure the kid in Florida against the kid in Oregon. I think that's led to organizations prioritizing it, which has invariably changed the way amateur baseball is played. You might have excellent high schoolers with movement and command at 82, but because it's 82 instead of 92, they're disinclined to shell out the cash for the premier amateur showcase leagues. What's the point; colleges and scouts will overlook them since they don't light it up, so why waste your parents' money? A lot of Kyle Hendricks out there who probably never even attempt to pitch beyond high school. You wonder if Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux would even get a chance in today's game There have been other great pitchers who pitched to contact -- Mike Cuellar, Catfish Hunter and even Jim Palmer, arguably the best pitcher of the 70's decade was not an overwhelming strike out pitcher compared to some Its to the point this game is a bastardization of what it once was - who pays to see a bunch of middle relievers - how many pitching match ups would you pay to see this day in time The shift, starting pitchers getting so many no decisions and sabermetrics have taken alot of the joy of the game for me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 14:20:08 GMT -5
“Players who have slumps should be called out for it” I mean the sheer amount of conceit one has to have to make this statement with a straight face. The lack of humility over the honest truth that baseball is hard and rife with failure, and to sit there and say “If you’re not as successful as I think you should be then you should be called out for it” (While proving time and time again that only a handful of players would ever eclipse the bar you’ve set) honestly makes me feel blessed that I don’t have to deal with you in real life. I can only imagine the amount of stress, insecurity, and mental anguish you put on those people who have the unfortunate luck of being around you. It’s torturous, frankly. I am blessed to not know you or have to deal with you either - and if you think that I deal with everyday people like I do in typing BS on a message board fourm well, whatever Its a vent, and this yr our biggest underachiever is that career loser Gausman. His record speaks for itself - and I am sure he know it It was a move with good intentions by Alex but it did not work out He thought he traded for something - the body of work speaks for itself
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 13, 2019 14:54:39 GMT -5
Except for those 5 clutch wins against only 3 defeats, the sub 3 ERA, and the 1.140 WHIP he had that were all instrumental in our division championship last season...
I mean outside of that meaningless stuff this was a total failure move and a pox upon the skin of AA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 10:54:06 GMT -5
Yes, Gausman did nicely down the stretch last yr
Looked like he was in the process of justifying his place as at least a second or even third starter -- and the place he was drafted
But he has been bad this yr -- and for now that is what counts for now
Maybe its injury, I don't know but he has not been good and for now should not be out there - maybe he can be fixed to help down the stretch maybe not but its what have you done for me lately.
At least the team is looking good in spite of the struggles of Gausman and Folty who is nearly as bad
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 14, 2019 14:37:31 GMT -5
Sorry chief, but it doesn't matter what it is in your world. You DFA'd him.
In fact, looking back over your comments this team would currently be without Gausman, Folty, Newk, Luke Jackson, Touki, and Dansby.. You've wanted to cut bait with all those and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.
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