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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 16, 2018 21:19:18 GMT -5
Never had a doubt
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 16, 2018 21:22:10 GMT -5
This type of game is crucial to having a good season.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 16, 2018 21:52:10 GMT -5
Which do you think is more likely? Not the right thing.. but the more likely.. Teams on their own managing arms better, or the players union or the owners lobbying for expanded rosters. I think the temptation is too great for teams and they will continue down the same path of max- everything on every single pitch. I think the most likely scenario is nothing will change. Teams aren't going to want to pay three more major league roster spots, maybe one more at the most. And it will take a long time before teams would be willing to start treating pitchers arms correctly. Thinking that way will take a lot of time and a lot of scientific proof. Which is pretty stupid, if you have such a valuable asset you really would be smart to do what is best for that asset over a long period of time. One thing to consider is that I think to treat pitchers arms "correctly" means to also stop limiting the pitch counts in little league, high school, college and the minor leagues. That hurts too. Stretching your arm out to throw more pitches at a reasonable speed (sensible wear on the arm) would get pitchers back to where they used to be when they were significantly more durable.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 16, 2018 21:55:07 GMT -5
I don't like Viz's pitch choices a lot of times. We discussed this recently. Tonight he fooled Williams with a change up right in the middle of the plate to get ahead 1-2, then came back with another change up right in the middle of the plate and he got the hit to RF. When you throw 97, and fool a guy with a change up, I don't think you should come right back with another change up period. If you do, at least keep it down. Then he turned right around and did the exact same thing to Kingery. Fooled him with a change and came right back with it again on the very next pitch. Dumb.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 16, 2018 22:03:34 GMT -5
Didn’t get to see the game tonight and glad we won, but not overly thrilled that we walked so many batters AGAIN. They need to get this under control (pun intended)
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 16, 2018 22:25:34 GMT -5
Didn’t get to see the game tonight and glad we won, but not overly thrilled that we walked so many batters AGAIN. They need to get this under control (pun intended) Even when our bullpen guys didn't walk people they were still behind in the count to most hitters. Scary.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 17, 2018 6:40:09 GMT -5
I don't like Viz's pitch choices a lot of times. We discussed this recently. Tonight he fooled Williams with a change up right in the middle of the plate to get ahead 1-2, then came back with another change up right in the middle of the plate and he got the hit to RF. When you throw 97, and fool a guy with a change up, I don't think you should come right back with another change up period. If you do, at least keep it down. Then he turned right around and did the exact same thing to Kingery. Fooled him with a change and came right back with it again on the very next pitch. Dumb. I said the exact same thing to myself last night in both of these instances you mentioned. Same pitch in the same spot, and it's not his best pitch nor what was set up to be effective.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 17, 2018 6:47:16 GMT -5
Didn’t get to see the game tonight and glad we won, but not overly thrilled that we walked so many batters AGAIN. They need to get this under control (pun intended) I give them a bit of a pass... Teheran's 3 walks came because he was pitching around Hoskins to get to Altherr, and that was smart. Minter walked 2, but West wasn't giving him pitches at the bottom or the top of the zone that were really strikes. We do need to get better in this regard, but I'll give them a bit of a pass last night.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 17, 2018 7:31:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. Just goes to show that a box score doesn’t tell you everything.
Proud of the boys for quickly getting back on track after Saturday. Not sure the Braves of the past couple of years would have done that.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 17, 2018 9:56:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. Just goes to show that a box score doesn’t tell you everything. Proud of the boys for quickly getting back on track after Saturday. Not sure the Braves of the past couple of years would have done that. It was important to win this game because of that game Saturday. The good news about that loss is that it wasn't a team loss, it was a bullpen loss, plain and simple. Players and management might say otherwise, but there's no denying that it was on the bullpen 100%. It's over...........moving on now.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 17, 2018 14:10:48 GMT -5
I guess pretty soon we'll see teams carry like 8 starters and 4 relievers. Starter A goes 3-4 innings, Starter B 3-4 innings, and the bullpen the last 1-2. That way you rarely have a starter go through a lineup more than twice. Miss the good old days when guys like Maddux would throw complete games with 90 pitches. Now, most starters seem to hit that around the 4th or 5th inning. It was so simple then according to Maddux. He wouldn't show batters certain pitches until the 3rd time through the lineup. Duh.. Seems like so simple a thing for pitchers to grasp, but it is seemingly beyond them.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 17, 2018 16:48:05 GMT -5
I guess pretty soon we'll see teams carry like 8 starters and 4 relievers. Starter A goes 3-4 innings, Starter B 3-4 innings, and the bullpen the last 1-2. That way you rarely have a starter go through a lineup more than twice. Miss the good old days when guys like Maddux would throw complete games with 90 pitches. Now, most starters seem to hit that around the 4th or 5th inning. It was so simple then according to Maddux. He wouldn't show batters certain pitches until the 3rd time through the lineup. Duh.. Seems like so simple a thing for pitchers to grasp, but it is seemingly beyond them. A lot of things were simple to Maddux that aren't simple to mere mortals.
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