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Post by nocahoma on Oct 13, 2023 6:05:14 GMT -5
The Phillies have a a coach that actually managed his team by the seat of his pants, took less talent and they produced. Our manager goes b the book, never plays a hunch,just sits there a craps his pants. We need new blood at the helm.I never understand why they think he's a good manager, we need somebody who can light a fire under the players and get results. Like to have seen what Wash could have done with this team.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 13, 2023 6:43:14 GMT -5
If there was a 5% chance you were going to have Grissom on your playoff roster, wouldn’t you know that by mid September and have him up with the big league club getting some ABs? Snit for brains clearly has never liked Grissom, for whatever reason……he’s just not one of them baseball player guys. It’s fitting he managed himself into that corner, to end up having to pray the guy he won’t give a chance would come through in our final AB of the year.
And I would say it was pretty clear for quite awhile that it was going to be likely that Grissom would be a real good right hand bat to have on the roster for the playoffs. He slashed .330/.419/.501/.920 with Gwinnett this year. And nobody even knows that, because the organization kept that quiet…..because Snitker doesn’t like Grissom and lord knows we can’t have anybody asking Saggysack any tough questions, like hey, you have two weeks to play with here at the end of the season, why not get some ABs for the Grissom kid?
What a farce.
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 13, 2023 7:46:06 GMT -5
Another year of 100+ wins and another exit in the NLDS. We had the best offense and middle of of the pack pitching. If the best offense in baseball doesn't perform I'm not sure what you can do. 8 runs in 4 games. Even a great pitching staff isn't likely to succeed if the offense fails like that. You can get another good pitcher or two but it probably wouldn't matter in a series like this where the offense just didn't really do anything. I guess that's where we look to improve but even that doesn't guarantee post season success but it couldn't hurt. Do we sign Max Fried? Do we resign Charlie Morton? Who do we target in free agency? Will Elder bounce back? Will Waldrep be ready at some point? Will Soroka take the next step to being a serviceable starter? Will AJSS take the next step? Lots of questions that I have no answer. Fried is still under contract with the Braves in 2024. His UFA year is 2025. Morton's at 20 million club option for 2024. They need serious upgrades. Yes he is but are we going to sign him long term, trade him, or let him test free agency? Those are questions that need to be addressed soon. Fried will be 30 in Jan and 31 by the time he starts any free agent contract. Is he starting to break down and will he be a reliable starter over the next 5-6 years? What we do with Fried will determine what pitching assets we need to acquire in the off season and before the deadline next year. Also, will we pick up Rosario's $9M team option. He had a decent year with 21 HR and a .755 OPS but was just a 100 OPS+ and a 1 WAR indicating just slightly over average player. Is $9M warranted for that considering Snit and most likely the Braves management also see him as a platoon player.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 13, 2023 8:03:25 GMT -5
WAR is a cumulative stat, so his 1.0 WAR is higher had he spent leas time on the bench watching Pillar play.
I would keep Rosario.
I wouldn't, but with Fried and Strider and little behind it, the Braves will be paying Morton for another year of decency and disappearance at the end. Snit loves the guy.
They probably keep Fried and let him test free-agency. Sure it would be nice to trade him but what the Braves need in return is a top tier starter and I doubt anyone is going to trade an apple for an apple.
Pathetic performance by the team in post-season. For whatever of several possible reasons, they just didn't show up. Everyone deserves blame from the emotionless nit-wit Snit to almost everyone on the field, especially everyone batting after Olson because that entire group just completely disappeared other than one Narddog homerun.
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 13, 2023 8:21:19 GMT -5
I'm not going to follow what transpires this offseason, I'm getting too old and have too many great things getting ready to happen, things I really need to care about and focus on in real life.
But my #1 suggestion to start straightening this mess out is firing the effing manager, for many reasons.
At this point, there is a serious leadership problem on this team.....Acuna is/should be the leader but for the most part he did not show up in the post season. After that, what leadership is there? The only "success" the manager was ever able to "produce" was writing in the same names every night and then they went out and performed during the regular season. Patting the guys on the back and saying "you can do it" isn't leadership. As the captain his team has crapped itself two years in a row. There were extenuating circumstances, but being the morale guy he's supposed to be, he was not able to say the right things or make the right moves. And it should not go overlooked, he should be held ultimately responsible.
This team needs a completely new fresh outlook and a guy who can actually manage.
FYI, Pillar is now 3 for his last 37 post season ABs. But he's just one of the failures, not even one of the main ones, just fun to point out because it's so obvious he isn't a big league ball player yet Snitty is so in love with him and has over used him so much. His failure to score from 3rd was a killer in the 7th, as was his crucial AB in the 9th. He wasn't alone in losing this game or this series, but he sure did his part no doubt.
All the suck ups are going to claim this series wasn’t Snitwits fault, but I think plenty of things he did along the way led up to this. I still feel it’s wrong to try to play guys 162 games even if they want to. There’s a legit reason that’s not been done traditionally. It wears guys down and most likely they’re playing with little nagging injuries by the end. We clearly had a letdown after we won 3 of 4 in LA. The guys played intense all year and they played every single day. I submit once we clinched the guys were so worn down mentally and physically they had a huge letdown, which would be natural, but were never able to regain that intensity, focus and confidence. And the bench players were never allowed to stay sharp the whole year. Murphy and Rosario were yanked around, couldn’t stay sharp as they lost a lot of ABs along the way. We didn’t get Grissom up to the big league level for a long time, then all of a sudden he’s batting knowing he’s the last out of our season. There was so much mishandling of players it’s just flat ridiculous and shouldn’t be ignored or tolerated.
The chances of firing Snit are slim to none. I agree with most of the rest. It seems that winning the division (and by 14 games) means very little. Next year I'm not going to get myself wound over every win and loss by trying to win the NL East and get the best record. It's just not worth the energy. If they win fine, if they lose fine, but unless we have a calamity they'll be in the playoffs. That seems to be all that matters. No need to stress over Iglesias closing or Yates blowing a game or Elder getting bombed. In the long run it really doesn't matter as much as we seem to think it does. We would have been just fine winning 90-95 games and clinching the last week of the season. This is a playoff team than can win 90 easily and get in so I see no need to push guys to the limit. More rest for the regulars and playing time for the backups. The Phillies did that all year. Realmuto, Harper, Bohm, Stott etc. all got rests. They didn't win 100 games but went in fresh. For the record, teams that won more than 90 games went 1-14 in the 1st two rounds of the playoffs with the only win being the Braves comeback win in Game 2 where they held on for dear life and got the Harris catch and DP. If MLB doesn't change the format to give a much bigger advantage to division winners then nobody is going to care about winning a division.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 13, 2023 8:34:53 GMT -5
I’m through getting wound up until we have a different manager. How many more Championships are going to slip away while we’re in such a great window of opportunity. When you delve into things, most of the problems trace back to Snitker. He does so many things wrong and doesn’t learn from them, he’s so hard headed about his stupid ideas. He really has no clue how to actually manage the players. That’s why he was in the minor leagues for 400 years, no one needs any more solid proof. We always knew he wasn’t big league manager material, he just fell into the right place at the right time and the players all said golly heck we sure like playing for him, he’s a swell guy……and the rest is history. There was an article on The Athletic talking about how game 3 was his fault, maybe that writer can do an in depth article on how much he caused this series to happen.
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 13, 2023 8:38:40 GMT -5
WAR is a cumulative stat, so his 1.0 WAR is higher had he spent leas time on the bench watching Pillar play. I would keep Rosario. I wouldn't, but with Fried and Strider and little behind it, the Braves will be paying Morton for another year of decency and disappearance at the end. Snit loves the guy. They probably keep Fried and let him test free-agency. Sure it would be nice to trade him but what the Braves need in return is a top tier starter and I doubt anyone is going to trade an apple for an apple. Pathetic performance by the team in post-season. For whatever of several possible reasons, they just didn't show up. Everyone deserves blame from the emotionless nit-wit Snit to almost everyone on the field, especially everyone batting after Olson because that entire group just completely disappeared other than one Narddog homerun. Rosario had over 500 PA. Even if he get 700 PA his WAR would be a 1.5 max based on his 500 PA. Perhaps if he played more he could up that to 1.7 or 1.8. his OPS+ also might go up a tick if used every day. Even so still just a little over average. He's a $9M platoon player under Snit. That's just the way it is.
IS Morton worth $20. Most likely not. Could we use those financial assets better. Probably, but I'm not sure. You know what you have with Morton but he's getting older and less consistent every year. He can be really good at times but has really started to struggle with control. He may retire and make it a moot point.
Even if you trade Fried his impending free agency will limit the return. Might be good to ride with him and maybe trade him at the deadline to a desperate team for a good return. That would mean we need to acquire another starter before the year or at the deadline.
I would put Ozuna on the trade block. We can afford to lose a bit of offense and after his year there should be teams interested. Maybe he along with some else could get a valuable asset, hopefully some pitching, in a trade. DHing someone like Murph, d'arnaud, Grissom etc. would mean less runs overall but not impact a ton of wins. Grissom would make a decent DH and utility guy.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 13, 2023 8:43:46 GMT -5
In the 9th inning of an elimination game for a team that had the best record in baseball, with the tying runs on base we had a guy make one out who was 3 for his last 37 in post season baseball and had a .500 OPS after June 20th, and the final out made by a guy who had 10 big league ABs after May 6th. Both because of the manager. How many times in history has this happened?
And you could throw in that the other out in that last inning was made by a left handed hitter who can hit lefties but had only maybe 10 ABs against them during the second half because the manager wouldn’t let him bat against them.
What a fustercluck. One that most people don’t even recognize because the organization and media tell them the manager is a swell guy.
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 13, 2023 9:02:27 GMT -5
One other quick note before beating a dead horse to death. The Braves scored 8 runs in 4 games. This was their lowest total in a 4 game stretch ALL YEAR. The previous low was 9 in a 4 game stretch.
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Post by maverick86 on Oct 13, 2023 9:15:30 GMT -5
^^Snit messed up the mojo by changing the lineup for game 1. That’s where we lost the series. What a bonehead move. Hopefully upper management sees that. As for our batters. I would have when went D’Arnaud instead of Murphy. But whatever we lost again to the Phillies. This will sting once again until next October. Regular season won’t matter as much. No need to stress about it. We’ve dealt w failures w our Braves from the 90’s-00’s to this team now. Only getting by the division series twice since 99.
I’m just disappointed.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 13, 2023 9:19:36 GMT -5
One other quick note before beating a dead horse to death. The Braves scored 8 runs in 4 games. This was their lowest total in a 4 game stretch ALL YEAR. The previous low was 9 in a 4 game stretch. I'm going to beat this dead horse for the next ten years--if the bats had been alive and we scored 50 runs and won the series, the media would be giving Snitwit all the credit. Now that the offense went dead, no blame goes on Snitker. Even though there are plenty of reasons to say he's contributed heavily to wearing the guys down then not being able to get the fire back after the letdown when we clinched. And not keeping his bench guys sharp, and having a non major league player on the roster, which was painfully obvious in the 9th inning last night.
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Post by maverick86 on Oct 13, 2023 10:58:42 GMT -5
Three 100-win teams with byes were quickly bounced from MLB playoffs.
"I think we'll reevaluate in the offseason like we always do and think about if we have the format right," commissioner Rob Manfred said.
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Post by maverick86 on Oct 13, 2023 11:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 13, 2023 12:11:58 GMT -5
Rosario at $9m is worth it.
Snit isn't going anywhere and nothing will change as far as how he manages. He will continue to play Acuna, Olson, Ozzie, and Riley every single game. He will continue to remove Eddie against left handers in favor of a right handed batter no matter what.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 13, 2023 14:37:15 GMT -5
The Phillies have a a coach that actually managed his team by the seat of his pants, took less talent and they produced. Our manager goes b the book, never plays a hunch,just sits there a craps his pants. We need new blood at the helm.I never understand why they think he's a good manager, we need somebody who can light a fire under the players and get results. Like to have seen what Wash could have done with this team. Please don't ask for Snit to deviate from the book and manage by the seat of his pants. When he does that we end up with that batting order he rolled out there in game 1.
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