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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 8, 2023 21:12:24 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the problem. Our prospect well is dry. Plus, we refuse to pay the big money that it takes to get top free agents (not that we should). Phil's got Lorenzen for a low level prospect. Not sure about Lynn, Montgomery, Flaherty or others. Most of the veterans are excelling now that they're on contending clubs. I'm sure AA did everthing he could. I've also heard them say they have faith in Soroka, Shuster, Dodd, and AJSS so I wonder how high a priority a starter really was. I'm sure they did due diligence. So what is the point here? This is double talk.. saying other teams got this guy or that guy for low level prospects, but then adding in you thing AA did everything he could..
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 8, 2023 21:13:18 GMT -5
Do the Braves mishandle their closers? Every one of them is like this almost every outing. It's unbelievable. Our closers sure increase the sale of Tums and Pepto!!!
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 8, 2023 21:13:22 GMT -5
I'm surprised his chewing gum didn't get in the way of the good play... right teo?
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 8, 2023 21:13:29 GMT -5
Do the Braves mishandle their closers? Every one of them is like this almost every outing. It's unbelievable. he's been really good of late. I forgot where I saw it but over his last 15 appearances he has 14 innings an ERA under 1.50, WHIP around 1.00, and a solid amount of Ks.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 8, 2023 21:14:23 GMT -5
... and he will fail again. It's not exactly mathematics
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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 8, 2023 21:16:26 GMT -5
WSH 4 PHI 4 Top 9th Game 2, DHer
CHC 3 NYM 2 FINAL
MIA 3 CIN 2 FINAL
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 8, 2023 21:17:40 GMT -5
Do the Braves mishandle their closers? Every one of them is like this almost every outing. It's unbelievable. he's been really good of late. I forgot where I saw it but over his last 15 appearances he has 14 innings an ERA under 1.50, WHIP around 1.00, and a solid amount of Ks. No one around here watches any other baseball. They think there is a plethora of other teams whose closers always shut down the opponents without giving up a hit or walk.
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Post by rennymadeit on Aug 8, 2023 21:19:50 GMT -5
Go nats
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 8, 2023 21:21:46 GMT -5
Phil's got Lorenzen for a low level prospect. Not sure about Lynn, Montgomery, Flaherty or others. Most of the veterans are excelling now that they're on contending clubs. I'm sure AA did everthing he could. I've also heard them say they have faith in Soroka, Shuster, Dodd, and AJSS so I wonder how high a priority a starter really was. I'm sure they did due diligence. So what is the point here? This is double talk.. saying other teams got this guy or that guy for low level prospects, but then adding in you thing AA did everything he could.. I am completely flabbergasted that anyone is disappointed that AA did not add any needle moving players at the deadline. To get a player like that you have to give up a needle mover or a borderline needle mover and we just simply don't have it to give up. It's not complicated. I suppose, as has been the history of sports fans for as long as I can remember, that folks think if you give up 3 or 4 or 5 crappy players that will get you a needle mover. I have no other guesses.
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Post by rennymadeit on Aug 8, 2023 21:21:57 GMT -5
he's been really good of late. I forgot where I saw it but over his last 15 appearances he has 14 innings an ERA under 1.50, WHIP around 1.00, and a solid amount of Ks. No one around here watches any other baseball. They think there is a plethora of other teams whose closers always shut down the opponents without giving up a hit or walk. Yes, we watched one here tonight …he plays for the pirates lol
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 8, 2023 21:24:14 GMT -5
Phil's got Lorenzen for a low level prospect. Not sure about Lynn, Montgomery, Flaherty or others. Most of the veterans are excelling now that they're on contending clubs. I'm sure AA did everthing he could. I've also heard them say they have faith in Soroka, Shuster, Dodd, and AJSS so I wonder how high a priority a starter really was. I'm sure they did due diligence. So what is the point here? This is double talk.. saying other teams got this guy or that guy for low level prospects, but then adding in you thing AA did everything he could.. Of course he did everthing he could. He just didn't want to part with a prospect that the other team wanted and the Phillies, and other teams, did. It's likely they have way more prospect capital than we do. Like I said I heard many times that the Braves are happy with the guys they have so they are probably not as willing to give up a prospect. I get that since our system has been pretty depleted. That doesn't mean I didn't want one! They just value the the prospects they have more than getting another pitcher. Hopefully the guys we have now and in the minors come through. None of us really knows the details so we're all just giving opinions. That's mine!
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 8, 2023 21:29:17 GMT -5
Nats 5 Phillies 4 Final Lead back to 10.5 games
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 8, 2023 21:31:29 GMT -5
So what is the point here? This is double talk.. saying other teams got this guy or that guy for low level prospects, but then adding in you thing AA did everything he could.. Of course he did everthing he could. He just didn't want to part with a prospect and the Phillies, and other teams, did. It's likely they have way more prospect capital than we do. Like I said I heard many times that the Braves are happy with the guys they have so they are probably not as willing to give up a prospect. I get that since our system has been pretty depleted. That doesn't mean I didn't want one! They just value the the prospects they have more than getting another pitcher. Hopefully the guys we have now and in the minors come through. None of us really knows the details so we're all just giving opinions. That's mine! In my opinion Grissom is the only prospect that could be used with any trade value, and his value is likely not that high since he showed so poorly with the glove. You would have to throw in one or two more prospects with Grissom to get anything, and we do not have a 2nd and 3rd prospect to throw in. I think he is more valuable for us to hang onto and assume he will become a serviceable OFer or even maybe a DH after Blowzuna is gone, than to just throw away and not even get much of a return. Grissom is going to hit in the big leagues, I feel pretty sure of that, I just wouldn't thrown him away for very little return.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 8, 2023 21:32:53 GMT -5
he's been really good of late. I forgot where I saw it but over his last 15 appearances he has 14 innings an ERA under 1.50, WHIP around 1.00, and a solid amount of Ks. No one around here watches any other baseball. They think there is a plethora of other teams whose closers always shut down the opponents without giving up a hit or walk. There's truth to that, but there's no denying that Will Smith was better before Atlanta and has been better after Atlanta. He did have that great 2021 postseason, but otherwise he was pretty bad here.
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 8, 2023 21:37:42 GMT -5
Of course he did everthing he could. He just didn't want to part with a prospect and the Phillies, and other teams, did. It's likely they have way more prospect capital than we do. Like I said I heard many times that the Braves are happy with the guys they have so they are probably not as willing to give up a prospect. I get that since our system has been pretty depleted. That doesn't mean I didn't want one! They just value the the prospects they have more than getting another pitcher. Hopefully the guys we have now and in the minors come through. None of us really knows the details so we're all just giving opinions. That's mine! In my opinion Grissom is the only prospect that could be used with any trade value, and his value is likely not that high since he showed so poorly with the glove. You would have to throw in one or two more prospects with Grissom to get anything, and we do not have a 2nd and 3rd prospect to throw in. I think he is more valuable to use to hang onto and assume he will become a serviceable OFer or even maybe a DH after Blowzuna is gone, than to just throw away and not even get much of a return. I could be wrong but I don't think the prospect the Phillies gave up for Lorenzen was even in their top 30. No where near a Grissom caliber player. Lorenzen is a 2 month rental so it didn't take much. Detroit was probably happy just to get maybe something of small value. Like you, I wouldn't give up Grissom unless it was part of a package for something a lot bigger than a rental player.
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