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Post by jahgentle on Apr 5, 2018 17:20:46 GMT -5
"Post Options Post by Hart's Middle Finger on 4 minutes ago I don’t disagree, but you think at this level, there wouldn’t be that level of incompetence"
dude, it's The Barves..there is always that level of incompetence here
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Post by camarFANgo on Apr 5, 2018 20:00:01 GMT -5
Should have traded Teheran and kept Simmons. I'm with you on that one. I've never understood the Braves impatience with him given his gifts. People on the old board used to complain about some of his flailing swings. When it came to Simmons, I was always 'so what'. I don't think there is a better SS in all of baseball. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 5, 2018 20:40:01 GMT -5
Should have traded Teheran and kept Simmons. I'm with you on that one. I've never understood the Braves impatience with him given his gifts. People on the old bored used to complain about some of his flailing swings. When it came to Simmons, I was always 'so what'. I don't think there is a better SS in all of baseball. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk It's still hard to believe we gave him away. What made it worse was that he had a friendly contract to boot.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 5, 2018 20:57:48 GMT -5
I'm with you on that one. I've never understood the Braves impatience with him given his gifts. People on the old bored used to complain about some of his flailing swings. When it came to Simmons, I was always 'so what'. I don't think there is a better SS in all of baseball. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk It's still hard to believe we gave him away. What made it worse was that he had a friendly contract to boot. We did get Newcomb for him so we didn't literally give him away.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 5, 2018 21:07:41 GMT -5
It's still hard to believe we gave him away. What made it worse was that he had a friendly contract to boot. We did get Newcomb for him so we didn't literally give him away. Not yet, anyway. With the fail rate of pitching prospects, it could turn out that way, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 21:29:44 GMT -5
As for Julio, one difference between him and Jurjens is that Jurjens career was cut short due to injuries at a young age. But there should be concern about Julio, could it be the pitching coach or is it a change of scenery that is needed.
As for Simmons, did we really know he would hit as well as he did last season. The jury is still out on that trade but Newcomb is in his learning curve, was up and down last yr, early now but had a bad start his first time out -- wait and see. Will have to wait till even 2020 to judge Newcomb but that nonsense from his first game is unacceptable
Ellis -- he was not that good. Then again to date outside of Folty (some good some real bad) none of those pitching prospects have amounted to much to date. And Gohara who was supposed to be all this and all that well guess what -- injured.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 5, 2018 21:31:10 GMT -5
We did get Newcomb for him so we didn't literally give him away. Not yet, anyway. With the fail rate of pitching prospects, it could turn out that way, though. Might. Might not. Personally I'll wait to see though before making any proclamations.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 6, 2018 6:37:08 GMT -5
Pitchers do have high fail rates... that’s probably why we went out and got so many. I agree its hard to say gave away even if the return doesn’t pan out because at the time Simmon’s bat wasn’t panning out as well, and absolutely no one had a crystal ball saying it would. The bottom line is we needed to load up on pitching prospects. Fail or not we also ended up with Dansby, and we also had Albies coming up behind, so we didn’t give up Simmons with no plan as to how to fill that hole. What we needed was pitching, pitching, and then some more pitching because not all pitchers pan out and you can never have enough... and we had very little.
Maybe we could Have received more for Simmons but none of us knows what offers were out there. Maybe we really should have hung onto him, but hindsight makes us all have 20/20 vision.
Plus I’ve begun to feel about this the same way I feel about letting Kemp walk and many other things. It’s water under the bridge and he beating of an already dead horse. Personally I would rather talk about the bright future instead of a dark past. On that... for whatever mistakes might have been made, the most recent regimes set a path in the right direction for the organization, and I’m very Billy Hamilton level excited about it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 6, 2018 10:11:36 GMT -5
If this organization cared about winning they would have got Corey Dickerson and you know it!
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 6, 2018 13:15:22 GMT -5
If this organization cared about winning they would have got Corey Dickerson and you know it! LOL. Yeah, this Preston Tucker dude ain't cuttin' it. Speaking of this Tucker cat, he looks like a hitter to me. What he's doing now is obviously unsustainable, but he hits to all fields and he's got some pop. When you put that with his minor league numbers, this guy might be a FIND.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 6, 2018 17:21:38 GMT -5
If this organization cared about winning they would have got Corey Dickerson and you know it! LOL. Yeah, this Preston Tucker dude ain't cuttin' it. Speaking of this Tucker cat, he looks like a hitter to me. What he's doing now is obviously unsustainable, but he hits to all fields and he's got some pop. When you put that with his minor league numbers, this guy might be a FIND. The only problem is he can't hit lefties. In 87 AB's he has a career .440 OPS. Not a big sample size but pretty scary still. He has a really nice swing, he might make a great platoon player.
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Post by brady2705 on Apr 6, 2018 18:16:44 GMT -5
Smiles on the Dickerson jab In truth, I'm thrilled about how Tucker is playing, and like you guys, he's winning me over as that potential LH power bat I wanted in Dickerson. I could conceive Acuna/Inciarte/Tucker in 2019, with Dustin Peterson spelling Tuck against tough lefties. Now, even if it plays out exactly that way, I think it's a case of good fortune, as I don't believe AA or anyone else thought Tucker had more than a flyer's chance at becoming a potential everyday player. Anyway, I'll be curious what things look like after April. Dickerson's been off to a slow start, so it will be interesting to see if that's a carry-over from last year's finish, or just a small sample size.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 6, 2018 19:44:39 GMT -5
I think they may have thought he had more than a flyer chance...
24hr’s and 96 RBI last year at AAA. I think they may have thought there would be a decent chance he could at least be a power LH bench bat and spot starter.
Either way, they probably didn’t expect him to win an everyday job, for sure.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 6, 2018 20:17:05 GMT -5
The lefty/lefty thing has always escaped me. You never hear of a righty/righty thing. I mean, I get that there aren't as many lefties, but you'd think that guys who are good enough to make it to the show would have overcome it somewhere along the line.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 6, 2018 20:36:37 GMT -5
RHP are the most prevalent by far, so RHB see them all the time.
I coached baseball from ages 6-15 and you could go an entire season and not see a LHP. Then when they do get a chance to see them, at the first sign of struggle coaches start platooning and these guys never get a chance to overcome it.
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