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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 8, 2021 18:56:48 GMT -5
Goldschmidt has been even more of an issue. He’s put up good numbers, but when you’re getting paid like one of the best 5 players in the game you have to put up Superman numbers. And he’s getting up there in age, seems like around 33 now? And showing some decline already. Those mega contracts have never been a good idea. That’s why I don’t think the Braves will go mega even for Freddie. I’m thinking 6/$150 for him. Doesn’t that still make his total something like 13/$270? That’s still pretty good work if you can get it. MLB Trade Rumors is predicting 6/$180M! One guy predicts he goes to the Red Sox.
3. Freddie Freeman. Six years, $180MM.
TD: Braves / SA: Braves / AF: Red Sox
Freeman, 32, has been one of the best hitters in baseball dating all the way back to 2013. His lowest single-season wRC+ mark during those nine seasons is 132, and he surged up to 186 in the shortened 2020 season to win the NL MVP. Freeman has gotten MVP votes in five additional seasons and is a five-time All-Star. Having signed an extension back in 2014, Freeman has been a Braves fixture for more than 11 seasons.
With such a beloved and consistently excellent player, it’s difficult to picture Freeman in another uniform. However, despite the Braves’ attempts to lock him up, Freeman has reached the open market. The obvious comparable is Paul Goldschmidt’s five-year, $130MM extension from spring 2019, but it’s unknown where each side stands relative to that marker. It’s also worth noting that even with the Braves’ championship, signing Freeman at $30MM+ per year will leave Liberty Media with limited financial flexibility to improve the team unless they raise payroll to new heights or shed existing commitments. If the Braves somehow allow Freeman to leave, the Yankees, Red Sox, Padres, Giants, Mariners, Mets, and Dodgers could be in play, but it’s tough to let a legacy player like this walk away on the heels of a World Series win.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 19:03:09 GMT -5
That’s why I don’t think the Braves will go mega even for Freddie. I’m thinking 6/$150 for him. Doesn’t that still make his total something like 13/$270? That’s still pretty good work if you can get it. MLB Trade Rumors is predicting 6/$180M! One guy predicts he goes to the Red Sox.
3. Freddie Freeman. Six years, $180MM.
TD: Braves / SA: Braves / AF: Red Sox
Freeman, 32, has been one of the best hitters in baseball dating all the way back to 2013. His lowest single-season wRC+ mark during those nine seasons is 132, and he surged up to 186 in the shortened 2020 season to win the NL MVP. Freeman has gotten MVP votes in five additional seasons and is a five-time All-Star. Having signed an extension back in 2014, Freeman has been a Braves fixture for more than 11 seasons.
With such a beloved and consistently excellent player, it’s difficult to picture Freeman in another uniform. However, despite the Braves’ attempts to lock him up, Freeman has reached the open market. The obvious comparable is Paul Goldschmidt’s five-year, $130MM extension from spring 2019, but it’s unknown where each side stands relative to that marker. It’s also worth noting that even with the Braves’ championship, signing Freeman at $30MM+ per year will leave Liberty Media with limited financial flexibility to improve the team unless they raise payroll to new heights or shed existing commitments. If the Braves somehow allow Freeman to leave, the Yankees, Red Sox, Padres, Giants, Mariners, Mets, and Dodgers could be in play, but it’s tough to let a legacy player like this walk away on the heels of a World Series win.
Freddie's not going anywhere!!!
I think the 6 year $150M is a good guess on what he'll sign for with us, maybe $160M. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody offers him more, but even if they do I think he'll give us a bit of a break so we have a little more flexibility to keep the team elite. Freddie never said one word during the rebuild, and having ridden it to completion I would think he recognizes we could win it all several more times over the next 5-7 years and that has to be worth a lot. He seems very sincere in his desire to stay.
Plus he still has that push to get us to the point where our rebuild is as good as the Faillies!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 19:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 19:11:47 GMT -5
That song is nowhere near as good as the epic Ballad of Jeff Francoeur.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 8, 2021 19:39:07 GMT -5
Ya know.... I really don't know much about the baseball gods wanting to pay a debt they owed us. I have a different take on this team altogether. That almost makes it seem like we got some lucky breaks, or the Dodgers and Astros blew it. I saw a group of guys get added to this team who brought some serious hutzpah, beginning with Joc. Then Soler showed up knowing he brought the big stick.... the Rosario came back from his injury with a high level of confidence and Acuña like enthusiasm. This attitude was missing before that even before Acuña got hurt. It was missing last year as well. That business like professionalism is great for 162 games, but it doesn't lift you in the post-season. These guys brought a "I'm a bad mother effer" attitude to the team that it sorely needed, and when they went on the win streak they fed off each other and even infected the sometimes more stoic players on the team. These guys looked at the baseball gods in the sky and those in New York who so often gave us a raw deal and said "FU Jobu, we'll do this ourselves.." I’ve been saying this about the Braves forever. You have to have a couple of guys with that hard edge to them. It’s impossible to measure what the bad bitch did for this team, other than a couple of key hits. I mean, he didn’t hit at all in the World Series, but I’m betting his presence was still important. Rosario coming right out and calling himself Super Rosario was cool, too. Those guys taught our guys how to truly believe in themselves. It was awesome.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 8, 2021 19:46:49 GMT -5
Freddie to the Red Sox? LMAO. Freddie ain't going anywhere. That guy's in la-la land.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 8, 2021 20:06:33 GMT -5
Whart in de sam heell was dat?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 8, 2021 20:14:25 GMT -5
Ya know.... I really don't know much about the baseball gods wanting to pay a debt they owed us. I have a different take on this team altogether. That almost makes it seem like we got some lucky breaks, or the Dodgers and Astros blew it. I saw a group of guys get added to this team who brought some serious hutzpah, beginning with Joc. Then Soler showed up knowing he brought the big stick.... the Rosario came back from his injury with a high level of confidence and Acuña like enthusiasm. This attitude was missing before that even before Acuña got hurt. It was missing last year as well. That business like professionalism is great for 162 games, but it doesn't lift you in the post-season. These guys brought a "I'm a bad mother effer" attitude to the team that it sorely needed, and when they went on the win streak they fed off each other and even infected the sometimes more stoic players on the team. These guys looked at the baseball gods in the sky and those in New York who so often gave us a raw deal and said "FU Jobu, we'll do this ourselves.." I’ve been saying this about the Braves forever. You have to have a couple of guys with that hard edge to them. It’s impossible to measure what the bad bitch did for this team, other than a couple of key hits. I mean, he didn’t hit at all in the World Series, but I’m betting his presence was still important. Rosario coming right out and calling himself Super Rosario was cool, too. Those guys taught our guys how to truly believe in themselves. It was awesome. I fear though we end up seeing Soler, Rosario, and definitely Joc; leave. We have to resign Frederick and I bet Soler and Rosario just get offers we wont match. We'll have Acuña back.. I bet they are still counting on Pache, and they'll probably keep all or nothing Duvall because he can play all 3 spots. I would love to see us keep Soler and Rosario, but I think others will be willing to outbid us.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 8, 2021 20:53:08 GMT -5
With the Ozuna thing hanging over our heads, it's hard to gauge what the Braves might do. I'm tired of this organization acting like it's a low budget team, though. They're making money hand over fist. That doesn't mean you wanna get stupid with it, though. I understand that. The market for Soler probably won't heat up until we know about the DH. He can play the outfield, but he's better suited to the DH spot. Nothing wrong with counting on Pache at this point. I mean, we don't wanna go nuts over Soler or Rosario because we won the World Series with them, because that isn't likely to happen again.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 22:29:37 GMT -5
With the Ozuna thing hanging over our heads, it's hard to gauge what the Braves might do. I'm tired of this organization acting like it's a low budget team, though. They're making money hand over fist. That doesn't mean you wanna get stupid with it, though. I understand that. The market for Soler probably won't heat up until we know about the DH. He can play the outfield, but he's better suited to the DH spot. Nothing wrong with counting on Pache at this point. I mean, we don't wanna go nuts over Soler or Rosario because we won the World Series with them, because that isn't likely to happen again. I don't think we've been acting like a low budget team, to me we've been acting like a mid market team, which we are. We've been right in the middle of the pack with payroll, which is fine by me, that's where we should be. But I believe there's been articles about the new park and/or Battery making a crap-ton of money, and we had to just make a bodacious amount from wining the World Series. I completely expect and demand that we pay up now and keep a good stock of top notch players. We're in a wonderful window of opportunity, our owners should expect to make another crap-ton of money over the next 5-7 years. I think we should now be in the 5th to 8th highest payroll team in all of baseball for these next 5 or so years. One of the most difficult concepts for me to buy into as a business owner was the old saying you have to spend money to make money. The reality is you have to spend a lot of money wisely. But when you do it wisely, there's no limit to how much it earns you. If someone would have told me 15 years ago how much I would have going out per money at this point I would have laughed my balls off and said they had brain damage. If they would have told me how much i would be bringing in, I would have needed an ambulance. Pronto. It's time to pay up and keep this roll going.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 8, 2021 23:53:06 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 9, 2021 0:07:23 GMT -5
I saw tonight that we snapped the longest streak of consecutive playoff appearances without a championship in the entire history of baseball. We had made the playoffs 16 straight times since 1995 without winning it all.
On July 13th, right after Acuna got injured, we had a 3% chance of winning the World Series.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 9, 2021 8:54:39 GMT -5
With the Ozuna thing hanging over our heads, it's hard to gauge what the Braves might do. I'm tired of this organization acting like it's a low budget team, though. They're making money hand over fist. That doesn't mean you wanna get stupid with it, though. I understand that. The market for Soler probably won't heat up until we know about the DH. He can play the outfield, but he's better suited to the DH spot. Nothing wrong with counting on Pache at this point. I mean, we don't wanna go nuts over Soler or Rosario because we won the World Series with them, because that isn't likely to happen again. I don't think we've been acting like a low budget team, to me we've been acting like a mid market team, which we are. We've been right in the middle of the pack with payroll, which is fine by me, that's where we should be. But I believe there's been articles about the new park and/or Battery making a crap-ton of money, and we had to just make a bodacious amount from wining the World Series. I completely expect and demand that we pay up now and keep a good stock of top notch players. We're in a wonderful window of opportunity, our owners should expect to make another crap-ton of money over the next 5-7 years. I think we should now be in the 5th to 8th highest payroll team in all of baseball for these next 5 or so years. One of the most difficult concepts for me to buy into as a business owner was the old saying you have to spend money to make money. The reality is you have to spend a lot of money wisely. But when you do it wisely, there's no limit to how much it earns you. If someone would have told me 15 years ago how much I would have going out per money at this point I would have laughed my balls off and said they had brain damage. If they would have told me how much i would be bringing in, I would have needed an ambulance. Pronto. It's time to pay up and keep this roll going. We don't really act like a low budget team, but we act like a lower half team when we're a top 10 market. The entire Southeastern US is our market. I mean, people don't give 2 sh/ts about the Hawks or the Falcons, but they LOVE the Braves. There are a lot of reasons for that, not the least of which is a winning tradition. Like you said, it's time to pay up and that doesn't mean doing stupid stuff like 10 year, $300 million contracts. I've said it many times......NO PLAYER can impact a baseball team enough to be worth that. The game simply doesn't lend itself to that. I would like to see us sign Chris Taylor instead of Adam Duvall, but that likely won't happen. Carlos Rodon is intriguing, too. If our young pitchers (Wright, Davidson, Muller, Elder) can take the next step, that will go a long way toward keeping us on top.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 9, 2021 10:29:58 GMT -5
We do have a large southeast following but how much money is actually made off of fans outside the immediate Atlanta area? I would guess it’s a pretty small amount.
And I don’t want the beaver faced weasel! I have never been able to stand that guy.
Give me Freddie, Rosario and Soler, do whatever we have to to get rid of wife beater and I’m happy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 11:56:23 GMT -5
I hate to say it but we might have to face it that this ownership group is not going to permit even a 6 yr commitment to keep Freddie who is turning 32.
Its not like LM has been on a cheap budget as of late, fact its been middle of the pack. But they forsake the large time consuming deals, have not done for 5 or more yrs one since the BJ Upton and Dan Uggla fiascos. I know, Uggla was an extension but he and BJ got 5 yrs
Fasten your seat belt and expect the possibility they will do something like a one yr deal with a declining veteran like Anthony Rizzo who still is slightly above league average but by all means no Freddie. That is how Mc Guirk and Alex has done FA for the most part.
Yes, they did go overboard on Ozuna and are stuck with that for 3 yrs and fat chance they rid of him.
I expect payroll around the same level but spread out. The Braves should still be good but different.
And as for Freeman going to Boston - Chaim Bloom is under pressure in that market to do something big that is not out of the question. The NYY are a possibility as much as we hate that - though those two teams really really need to improve the starting pitching like so many do
I will wait and see what they do with the guys we got at the deadline. I think one of em will be kept. I think they really hope Pache will be ready and that saves some money.
The business of this game stinks and it is what it is. Payroll wise it could be better for us but could be much much worse at least we do not have Bob Nutting or Peter Angelos or the Monfort brothers who knock the Colorado fans.
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