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Post by brady2705 on Aug 12, 2021 6:28:54 GMT -5
Anyone think he could be just what we need? Pumping 100 with that wipeout slider, I think he'd be elite down the stretch.
Rotation certainly looks fine as-is, even without Anderson also coming back.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 12, 2021 7:03:10 GMT -5
Isn't the easiest option, Rodriguez?
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 12, 2021 8:33:49 GMT -5
I don't follow the logic for this. Ynoa has been out for a long time and needs to get his feet back on the ground, plus he's never been a closer. Maybe a debate for the future, but not now. Besides, we have Will. Freaking. Smith.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 12, 2021 9:47:59 GMT -5
I don't follow the logic for this. Ynoa has been out for a long time and needs to get his feet back on the ground, plus he's never been a closer. Maybe a debate for the future, but not now. Besides, we have Will. Freaking. Smith. Who is the closer guy for this team. It has been ordained.
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 12, 2021 10:23:28 GMT -5
I think RR is the logical choice but the way Matzek is throwing right now I'm wouldn't object to seeing him in that role at times, if necessary. Luke, Martin, and maybe Minter if he has worked out his issues are alternative secondary options IMO but only in cases where RR or Matzek aren't available to close. Smith needs to be moved to the 6th-8th IMO and only if we're up by a couple. I'd wouldn't like to see him come in if the game was tied in the 8th. He's done that before in the 8th or 9th and has some losses in that role. Ynoa needs some time so I wouldn't put him in that situation yet. Perhaps 5th or 6th inning, 7th if necessary, when he comes back but he definitely has closer stuff.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 12, 2021 10:48:51 GMT -5
With the success Ynoa was having as a starter this year I’d use him that way again and let RR close. If Ynoa falters as a starter I’d consider trying him as a closer.
But Sargent Skidmarks has his closer, case closed.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 12, 2021 11:15:08 GMT -5
Unless he fell off a cliff post injury, do you feel better off with Ynoa as a starter or with Touki?
I'm a bit better with:
Morton Fried Anderson Smyly Ynoa Muller
Touki becomes the odd man out for me.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 12, 2021 11:19:12 GMT -5
I don’t have any faith in Touki either. The only way we should be using him is in the role that Tomlin has. Well I mean the role that Tomlin SHOULD have.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 12, 2021 11:34:17 GMT -5
I don’t have any faith in Touki either. The only way we should be using him is in the role that Tomlin has. Well I mean the role that Tomlin SHOULD have. I would send him back down... let him continue to work on his control but remain stretched out as a starter. I don't fully trust Muller either... that last start with him just removing the fastball from his game won't work. When Anderson and Ynoa are ready to be activated, send Touki down and part ways with Tomlin. Figure out the hierarchy from there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 14:10:29 GMT -5
How many more times do you send Touki down to work on this and that.
How can it really help at this point. He has But I do give him credit for being better than he was.
He is what he is, at 25 its time to accept he is never going to be a very consistent pitcher. He is not the first guy who has this and that stuff that just does not find that much MLB success.
As for Muller, I hope he is not another underachiever due to our internal pitching development. There is alot to like with him thus far.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 12, 2021 14:18:48 GMT -5
How many more times do you send Touki down to work on this and that. How can it really help at this point. He has But I do give him credit for being better than he was. He is what he is, at 25 its time to accept he is never going to be a very consistent pitcher. He is not the first guy who has this and that stuff that just does not find that much MLB success. As for Muller, I hope he is not another underachiever due to our internal pitching development. There is alot to like with him thus far. I don't think you're necessarily wrong about Touki, but the fact is his value isn't all that great, so trading him isn't really an option. Tomlin is 36 or 37, so he needs to go while guys like Touki get their looks. We yo-yo some of these guys back and forth from the minors so much, it's no wonder they struggle. Touki is one of those guys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 14:33:51 GMT -5
How many more times do you send Touki down to work on this and that. How can it really help at this point. He has But I do give him credit for being better than he was. He is what he is, at 25 its time to accept he is never going to be a very consistent pitcher. He is not the first guy who has this and that stuff that just does not find that much MLB success. As for Muller, I hope he is not another underachiever due to our internal pitching development. There is alot to like with him thus far. I don't think you're necessarily wrong about Touki, but the fact is his value isn't all that great, so trading him isn't really an option. Tomlin is 36 or 37, so he needs to go while guys like Touki get their looks. We yo-yo some of these guys back and forth from the minors so much, it's no wonder they struggle. Touki is one of those guys. This yo-yo ing in my unexpert opinion has not helped some guys at all. It has to be frustrating for some personalities. If I put myself in the same position I might want to tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine but then again you cannot make too many enemies in this industry. A guy like Bryse Wilson I do not think he would ever get a real shot here and to me he is better off elsewhere. In the case of Touki, my guess is his stuff can be so good with so much movement its hard to control at times. Just my guess I might be off the wall on that And yes, I would prefer to work with Touki who is young and showing some signs than a marginal guy like Tomlin. Sure guys like Wright and Touki unquestionably have ability but are we the org that will unleash it. That I do not know but would like em all to succeed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 14:35:44 GMT -5
As for the issue of closer the right guy for the job at this time is Rich Rod. But we know it ain't happening.
We know who the closer is like it or not. As for Ynoa, from what we saw before injury his job is a SP
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Post by littlebeast1 on Aug 13, 2021 9:32:04 GMT -5
Ideally, once Ynoa and Anderson are back, this is how I would work the rotation / pen
CL - Rodriguez SU - Matzek SU - Jackson SU - Martin MR - Smith MR - Santana MR - Minter MR - Chavez LR/MR - Touki
Rotation - Morton, Fried, Smyly, Ynoa, Anderson
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 13, 2021 12:20:25 GMT -5
Ideally, once Ynoa and Anderson are back, this is how I would work the rotation / pen CL - Rodriguez SU - Matzek SU - Jackson SU - Martin MR - Smith MR - Santana MR - Minter MR - Chavez LR/MR - Touki Rotation - Morton, Fried, Smyly, Ynoa, Anderson I would move Luke down and put Martin in his spot then Santana behind Martin with Luke down the line. He’s not been good lately. But that’s not going to happen and Smith will remain the closer.
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