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Post by teolewis on Apr 14, 2024 16:37:37 GMT -5
Let’s be factual about this—the “hate” comes because he’s on police body camera film hitting and choking his wife. But like all rich people he got felony charges dropped, because he has money. And now our organization claims it’s too holy to sign Trevor Bauer because we care about the character of our players. See how that works? If we would admit we whored our principles with Ozuna and not act too righteous to sign Bauer then things would be cool. The judicial process played itself out... not to your liking obviously... but it's what the Braves needed to hear. We don't know the whole situation of what to place. Maybe he walked in on his wife getting laid. Maybe for some reason she was being physically abusive to him because he got her the Michael Kors bag instead of the LV bag. Maybe she found a DM of some chick and started wailing on him. And the instance the cops walked in he was choking her in self defense. At any rate, although it's not a good look... it's over. So in Bauer's case why isn't any team calling him? If you are are a moral supremacist in regard to Ozuna, then the same should hold for Bauer.
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Post by teolewis on Apr 14, 2024 16:38:49 GMT -5
He was already a member of the team when this happened.....different than someone he was not or is not a member of that team.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 14, 2024 16:48:14 GMT -5
He keeps hitting like this, somebody will pay him a TON It would be a safe bet we’ll sign him again. It is what it is at this point. It will just be fun watching our AAA pitchers from our moral high ground.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 14, 2024 16:51:11 GMT -5
He was already a member of the team when this happened.....different than someone he was not or is not a member of that team. Why is that different? Our team member committed felonies, the non team member was blackmailed. How does being a team member override all of that? Remember Hector Olivera? He was a team member. What happened to him when he committed domestic abuse? My stance again is either you give both Ozuna and Bauer a “second chance” or neither one. I’m not calling for anything other than that, just consistency in our policy. Especially when we have management and writers claiming we care about the character of our players.
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Post by teolewis on Apr 14, 2024 17:02:06 GMT -5
He was already a member of the team when this happened.....different than someone he was not or is not a member of that team. Why is that different? Our team member committed felonies, the non team member was blackmailed. How does being a team member override all of that? Remember Hector Olivera? He was a team member. What happened to him when he committed domestic abuse? My stance again is either you give both Ozuna and Bauer a “second chance” or neither one. I’m not calling for anything other than that, just consistency in our policy. Especially when we have management and writers claiming we care about the character of our players.
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Post by teolewis on Apr 14, 2024 17:02:49 GMT -5
It's called 'grace' for someone who is already a part of the family (or it could be financial ).
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 14, 2024 17:47:23 GMT -5
It's called 'grace' for someone who is already a part of the family (or it could be financial ). So finances dictate principals…..that’s ok? And you’re still ignoring the grace Hectior Olivera wasn’t shown. Grace for a felon is ok if it’s a family member in the sense that a non family member doesn’t also deserve grace, especially when they didn’t even commit a felony? Aren’t you in your 60’s? Figured you would have been raised better. I could understand if you were younger, the old school ways don’t matter to them anymore. I’m old school and I’d still be ok with the Ozuna situation if we would show the same grace with Bauer. Bare minimum we should at least have just stayed quiet and not brag about team character once we bent the rules for Ozuna.
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Post by joeyg39 on Apr 14, 2024 17:52:58 GMT -5
It's called 'grace' for someone who is already a part of the family (or it could be financial ). So finances dictate principals…..that’s ok? And you’re still ignoring the grace Hectior Olivera wasn’t shown. Grace for a felon is ok if it’s a family member in the sense that a non family member doesn’t also deserve grace, especially when they didn’t even commit a felony? Aren’t you in your 60’s? Figured you would have been raised better. I could understand if you were younger, the old school ways don’t matter to them anymore. I’m old school and I’d still be ok with the Ozuna situation if we would show the same grace with Bauer. Bare minimum we should at least have just stayed quiet and not brag about team character once we bent the rules for Ozuna. **I’m old school and I’d still be ok with the Ozuna situation if we would show the same grace with Bauer. Bare minimum we should at least have just stayed quiet and not brag about team character once we bent the rules for Ozuna.** So "old school" is adjusting your moral code for someone you like... not about poor character as a whole. The old sliding scale of moral relativism. Got it...
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Post by maverick86 on Apr 14, 2024 18:28:58 GMT -5
Good win. We need pitching now. But no team will be trading anyone in significant.
I was thinking for LHP Anderson from Angels. He was good w Dodgers and had a down year last season. Wouldn’t cost much I don’t believe.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 14, 2024 18:36:38 GMT -5
At this point, I tend to think that the organization had knowledge of mitigating factors in the Ozuna case that we do not know and will likely never know.
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Post by teolewis on Apr 14, 2024 18:43:01 GMT -5
At this point, I tend to think that the organization had knowledge of mitigating factors in the Ozuna case that we do not know and will likely never know. I agree. We sit here and chatter but we don't really know. Did I say I'm going to the Braves and Astros game tomorrow night? . I wish, wish, wish I could meet my man Riley.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 14, 2024 18:49:49 GMT -5
We’ve seen the assault via the policy worn body cameras. Shrug.
Anyhow, it’s just beating a dead horse anymore. I want to just ignore it all this point, but I’m going to at least speak up when someone claims there’s hatred for Ozuna. I don’t hate him. I dislike the fact he hit and choked his wife. In the end I can say oh well, but I’m going to admit we looked the other way. Let’s not look the other way and then act like we’re above doing that.
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Post by teolewis on Apr 14, 2024 19:00:37 GMT -5
We’ve seen the assault via the policy worn body cameras. Shrug. Anyhow, it’s just beating a dead horse anymore. I want to just ignore it all this point, but I’m going to at least speak up when someone claims there’s hatred for Ozuna. I don’t hate him. I dislike the fact he hit and choked his wife. In the end I can say oh well, but I’m going to admit we looked the other way. Let’s not look the other way and then act like we’re above doing that. No one sits next to him in the dugout that I have noticed so maybe that's a consolation to you BTW I don't particularly care for him either but why should the Braves take their chance on someone else like him when he's not already on the team. Too bad about Strider .
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 14, 2024 19:30:12 GMT -5
We’ve seen the assault via the policy worn body cameras. Shrug. Anyhow, it’s just beating a dead horse anymore. I want to just ignore it all this point, but I’m going to at least speak up when someone claims there’s hatred for Ozuna. I don’t hate him. I dislike the fact he hit and choked his wife. In the end I can say oh well, but I’m going to admit we looked the other way. Let’s not look the other way and then act like we’re above doing that. No one sits next to him in the dugout that I have noticed so maybe that's a consolation to you BTW I don't particularly care for him either but why should the Braves take their chance on someone else like him when he's not already on the team. Too bad about Strider . Why would I care either way if anyone sits next to him on the bench? The players seem to have accepted him and they all get along. I said I can jump on the bandwagon and say we looked the other way, but just don't act like we didn't.....and management and our writers want to still act like we're holier than thou. That's actually my only sticking point at this stage. Go ahead and say hell yeah we looked the other way. Own it, don't act like it didn't happen. I've gotten over the fact we're going to take the high road now and use a gaggle of AAA pitchers to replace our ace rather than add a really good pitcher who is available.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 14, 2024 20:44:51 GMT -5
Yes financials played a role in Ozuna being held on to.
Yes it is also true that Ozuna seems great in the locker room whereas Bauer has a history of conflict beyond the sexual misconduct allegations... that has something to do with the Braves position (and seemingly all of baseball's position as well).
I wouldn't however deny that the Braves did turn a blind eye to Ozuna and then later claimed moral righteousness regarding Bauer.
Sure there were reasons... there are always reasons that people and organizations come up with to justify their actions. Let's just be honest about what took place.
People that advocate for going after Bauer are not changing their moral code for one person and while they didn't for another. I think what most of them are saying is that the Braves need to be consistent and if they didn't draw a moral line with Ozuna, then they shouldn't draw a moral line with Bauer. Especially when one is on video choking a woman and the other has been proven to be a victim of blackmail and false allegations. Those are facts. IF the Braves were okay with keeping Ozuna then they should be okay with Bauer. The only caveat there is asking would the Braves have been okay with Bauer before the false allegations that got him banned. That's where I think the Braves may be... it's probably they were a hard no on Bauer even before the sexual stuff.
Personally I would take the risk with Bauer as I imagine he would come in as a pretty contrite and humbled guy.
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