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Post by wncbravesfan on Apr 9, 2024 13:15:10 GMT -5
Quintana
0 - 1|2.61 ERA
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Alan Winans
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Post by PABraveFan on Apr 10, 2024 9:43:44 GMT -5
Here we go. Less than 2 weeks into the season and dipping into the AAA pitchers pool again. This is exactly what we should have been trying to avoid in the off season.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Apr 10, 2024 11:20:01 GMT -5
PHI
STL
1:15pm
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Post by wncbravesfan on Apr 10, 2024 13:12:13 GMT -5
PHI 2
STL 2
Bottom 3rd
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 10, 2024 17:13:31 GMT -5
Here we go. Less than 2 weeks into the season and dipping into the AAA pitchers pool again. This is exactly what we should have been trying to avoid in the off season. Well we did. We added Lopez and Sale. Why would you think we didn't think about it? We thought about it so much that our 3rd starter from last season began this year in AAA. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 10, 2024 17:32:07 GMT -5
Here we go. Less than 2 weeks into the season and dipping into the AAA pitchers pool again. This is exactly what we should have been trying to avoid in the off season. Well we did. We added Lopez and Sale. Why would you think we didn't think about it? We thought about it so much that our 3rd starter from last season began this year in AAA. I completely agree with PA...what we added were two very large risks, and we actually have a third decent sized risk in the starting rotation with Morton. It's kind of ironic one of our "pretty sure bets" has gone down already. Lopez is a risk if for no other reason than he likely will wear down from the innings.....he wasn't a good starter when he started before....he's had two really good outings, but let's see how that plays out in the long run. Sale is a huge risk with his health. We started the season with two real good bets and three risks, with nothing to back them up but minor league caliber pitchers. If we have just one more starter go down we're back in the Dodd and Shuster mode from last year. I think we should have added two starters, a #3 and #4 or even two #4's who were less risky than Lopez and Sale. The Sale thing obviously could end up being genius, but it was a gigantic gamble, the kind we don't usually take. I think it was a desperate panic move after losing two years in a row to the Faillies in the playoffs. We should have gone with something more stable, less risk....less possible upside of course, but something more reliable. We are playing with fire, and after watching the staff we had last year I don't want to get burned that way again. |
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Post by PABraveFan on Apr 10, 2024 18:17:56 GMT -5
Here we go. Less than 2 weeks into the season and dipping into the AAA pitchers pool again. This is exactly what we should have been trying to avoid in the off season. Well we did. We added Lopez and Sale. Why would you think we didn't think about it? We thought about it so much that our 3rd starter from last season began this year in AAA. Yes, those were good pick ups but I'm always of the opinion that you never have enough pitching and I thought one more arm would have helped. Maybe a Seth Lugo or James Paxton type. I never considered Elder a viable option after his implosion in the 2nd half last year and that was born out on Spring Training. Hopefully he will be useful at some point. Lopez wasn't a guaranteed starter until he did well in Spring Training. Morton is getting older. Sale was a good get but will he stay healthy? Fried is likely gone after this year and then there are injuries to account for also. In my mind we didn't acquire enough starting pitching depth (1 more viable starter) but that's just me. The point being that having Winans be a starter 2 weeks into the season because of a long term injury is something I didn't want to see. I've always prioritized having as much pitching as possible. The good news in all of this is that we did build a good and deep bullpen, notwithstanding the last two games, so a 5th starter who only goes 3-5 innings has lots of help on the backside and that could be a reason they opted not to obtain another starter. Maybe Anderson will be back at some point also (but how useful) and maybe they trust AJSS and Waldrep too. AJSS wasn't terrible last year. Maybe that is the alternative to another arm. I don't know. I only know I don't like seeing the Dodd's, Shuser's and Winans this early on the season. Hopefully they will find someone out of the bunch to step in and at least be serviceable. |
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Post by wncbravesfan on Apr 10, 2024 19:03:36 GMT -5
Phillies beat the Cardinals.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 10, 2024 20:59:46 GMT -5
Just because you might not like the moves we made to address the issue, to claim we didn't even try to address
it is just false in my opinion.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 10, 2024 23:05:14 GMT -5
Just because you might not like the moves we made to address the issue, to claim we didn't even try to address it is just false in my opinion. I think he just worded that poorly, we obviously "tried" but we took two huge gambles (and a mid level risk with Morton as well), and as good as our offense is I don't think we should have been taking risks with high upside/high downside potential pitchers. Just a couple of steady legit 3,4 or 5 type pitchers. Also partly because we really don't have a backup plan, unless one is willing to be milquetoast enough to believe our writers statement that we have "organizational depth" we can rely on now......one should only accept that if they think having 6 AAA level pitchers is somehow better than having 2 or 3 of them.....and is willing to quietly sit by and watch as we constantly rotate them all year between AAA and our #4 and #5 slots, praying by some miracle one or two will start pitching well at the big league level, pretty much like we did last year. If we had gone with lower risk options we would have been much safer not really having a backup plan.....other than going to the Dodd/Shuster et al route again. |
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Post by PABraveFan on Apr 11, 2024 9:07:50 GMT -5
Just because you might not like the moves we made to address the issue, to claim we didn't even try to address it is just false in my opinion. I didn't say we didn't address the issue. I think we did address the issue but I also think we needed more depth. It's a long season and even with Lopez starting we are now forced to use the likes of Winans two weeks into the season. Obviously Braves management is OK with that since they chose not to obtain another starter. Perhaps they will address it at the deadline or maybe someone will step up and take it. Obviously we can compete and still win the division and World Series but it just becomes a bit more difficult. That being said we did fine last year without Fried for an extended period but we knew he was coming back at some point. This leaves few legitimate choices if another situation arises (if it doesn't I will be pleasantly surprised) and we still have 152+ games to play. Another merry-go-round with Winans, AJSS, Elder etc. for the 4th and 5th spot almost looks like a given at some point in the season. It could become a short term or long term juggling act once again. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 11, 2024 12:46:23 GMT -5
Well Winans is certainly looking like a bum at this point.
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Post by dirt on Apr 11, 2024 12:46:54 GMT -5
Leave him in for 7 more…
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 11, 2024 12:52:00 GMT -5
I'm not even sure Snit moved during that debacle.
Someone better check and make sure he's awake.. or not dead
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 11, 2024 13:06:15 GMT -5
If you're going to throw a game away, why not give some of the regulars the day off? Oh yeah, it's Sarge.
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