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Post by wncbravesfan on Jul 17, 2021 21:03:38 GMT -5
NYM 6 Pitt 0 Top 8th, 1 on, 1 out
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 17, 2021 21:12:18 GMT -5
I get that but he's one of the few guys who can gets opponents out once in awhile and we have a day game tomorrow.
I'm sure he's thrown on the side a few times during the break.
If we do end up using him on Sunday then it eliminates him on Monday.
No reason to do all of that.
Could have brought in Tomlin but you two still would have had an aneurism - lol Well you're wrong about that because 9-0 is the only time you CAN use Tomlin, and even then it's iffy.
And I wouldn't have any problem with anybody complaining about Tomlin EVER being brought into any game because he has no business still being on our roster.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 17, 2021 21:16:21 GMT -5
I get that but he's one of the few guys who can gets opponents out once in awhile and we have a day game tomorrow.
I'm sure he's thrown on the side a few times during the break.
If we do end up using him on Sunday then it eliminates him on Monday. No reason to do all of that.
Could have brought in Tomlin but you two still would have had an aneurism - lol Nope... because I've been very consistent in saying 9-0 is the only time we should use Tomlin. It's good to see you back to defending Snitker though.. it's been disconcerting seeing you talking about his managerial mistakes all year.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 17, 2021 21:33:13 GMT -5
Could have brought in Tomlin but you two still would have had an aneurism - lol Nope... because I've been very consistent in saying 9-0 is the only time we should use Tomlin. It's good to see you back to defending Snitker though.. it's been disconcerting seeing you talking about his managerial mistakes all year. Just don’t think there’s any reason to criticize him on this particular evening. Doesn’t excuse the plethora of miscalculations he’s made, but I just don’t see the need in finding fault in every decision he makes. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 17, 2021 21:37:58 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to call someone out for criticizing burning one of your only good bullpen pitchers in a 9-0 game. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess.
And my problem with it is that HMF is right, this is about the 4th blowout in a row that Snitker has burned Matzek, and one of those times it kept us from using him in a game we needed him because he can't pitch three days in a row.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 17, 2021 21:53:49 GMT -5
Another big night for Gwinnett, they win 11-3 in Charlotte and will go for a 6 game sweep in Charlotte tomorrow.
Alex Jackson had a pair of two RBI doubles, 3-5 for the night with the 4 RBI, now at .261/.327/.670/.997
He's showing confidence and looking like a real major league hitter right now. He really should be up with the big club any day, looks like he's recovered from his injury.
Camargo 1-2 with a double and three BB, BA is .307 and OPS is .916 despite getting screwed out of playing 4 games this week with Gwinnett simply because we didn't option him back over the break.
Demeritte hits a grand slam tonight, his 4th game in a row with a dinger, he's at .308/.427/.703/1.130 for the season.
And last but not least, William Contreras with a double and another Contrebomb, he's at .414 for the season with Gwinnett and an OPS 1.312.
THAT DUDE CAN HIT!!!
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 17, 2021 21:55:17 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to call someone out for criticizing burning one of your only good bullpen pitchers in a 9-0 game. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess.
And my problem with it is that HMF is right, this is about the 4th blowout in a row that Snitker has burned Matzek, and one of those times it kept us from using him in a game we needed him because he can't pitch three days in a row.
Again, I don’t think that 14 non stressful pitches after having a full week of rest burns Matzek out. The other times, sure. Given Snit’s track record, I can see how you and HMF would have difficulty giving him any benefit of the doubt, but I personally didn’t have any issue with the move. I’d much rather have a reliever shake off the rust in a blowout than in a high leverage situation. That’s just smart managing to me. But again, to each his or her own. Bottom line, I’m just glad we won and didn’t have a bullpen meltdown.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 17, 2021 21:56:44 GMT -5
Nope... because I've been very consistent in saying 9-0 is the only time we should use Tomlin. It's good to see you back to defending Snitker though.. it's been disconcerting seeing you talking about his managerial mistakes all year. Just don’t think there’s any reason to criticize him on this particular evening. Doesn’t excuse the plethora of miscalculations he’s made, but I just don’t see the need in finding fault in every decision he makes. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess. Again... wrong. I am very specific when I call him out and absolutely do not find fault in every decision he makes. I only call out the stupid ones, like using Matzek in 9-0 games. It's stupid.. I've called it stupid all year, and I've been demonstrably correct. Let's just ignore all the 300 decisions he's made all year where I haven't said a word including the bullpen decisions last night, and make this out to be much more than what it is.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 17, 2021 21:58:37 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to call someone out for criticizing burning one of your only good bullpen pitchers in a 9-0 game. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess.
And my problem with it is that HMF is right, this is about the 4th blowout in a row that Snitker has burned Matzek, and one of those times it kept us from using him in a game we needed him because he can't pitch three days in a row.
Again, I don’t think that 14 non stressful pitches after having a full week of rest burns Matzek out. The other times, sure. Given Snit’s track record, I can see how you and HMF would have difficulty giving him any benefit of the doubt, but I personally didn’t have any issue with the move. I’d much rather have a reliever shake off the rust in a blowout than in a high leverage situation. That’s just smart managing to me. But again, to each his or her own. Bottom line, I’m just glad we won and didn’t have a bullpen meltdown. And I'll repeat, even though it was only 14 pitches, it means we can only use Matzek once now between Sunday and Monday. Is that not possibly an issue? If we had other bullpen guys who could get outs it wouldn't be a big deal. We got burned on this exact issue once already because we couldn't use Matzek in a game we needed him. I just don't get why burn him when Santana could have pitched the 9th tonight.
If Matzek doesn't pitch tonight then he's available both Sunday and Monday. I'd like to have that option.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 17, 2021 21:59:48 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to call someone out for criticizing burning one of your only good bullpen pitchers in a 9-0 game. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess. And my problem with it is that HMF is right, this is about the 4th blowout in a row that Snitker has burned Matzek, and one of those times it kept us from using him in a game we needed him because he can't pitch three days in a row.
Again, I don’t think that 14 non stressful pitches after having a full week of rest burns Matzek out. The other times, sure. Given Snit’s track record, I can see how you and HMF would have difficulty giving him any benefit of the doubt, but I personally didn’t have any issue with the move. I’d much rather have a reliever shake off the rust in a blowout than in a high leverage situation. That’s just smart managing to me. But again, to each his or her own. Bottom line, I’m just glad we won and didn’t have a bullpen meltdown. I'm glad we won as well, but winning a game doesn't mean all critiquing stops. If this was a one off, I would agree with you but again this is multiple times he has used Matzek in blowout games only to have him unavailable in the next game or ineffective if used on back to back days.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 17, 2021 22:02:22 GMT -5
Again, I don’t think that 14 non stressful pitches after having a full week of rest burns Matzek out. The other times, sure. Given Snit’s track record, I can see how you and HMF would have difficulty giving him any benefit of the doubt, but I personally didn’t have any issue with the move. I’d much rather have a reliever shake off the rust in a blowout than in a high leverage situation. That’s just smart managing to me. But again, to each his or her own. Bottom line, I’m just glad we won and didn’t have a bullpen meltdown. And I'll repeat, even though it was only 14 pitches, it means we can only use Matzek once now between Sunday and Monday. Is that not possibly an issue? If we had other bullpen guys who could get outs it wouldn't be a big deal. We got burned on this exact issue once already because we couldn't use Matzek in a game we needed him. I just don't get why burn him when Santana could have pitched the 9th tonight.
If Matzek doesn't pitch tonight then he's available both Sunday and Monday. I'd like to have that option.
Yep.. even if he is available and effective tomorrow, he will be unavailable Monday. That's the best case scenario.. and that was in exchange for using him in a game where we could have used Tomlin or Santana for more than one inning.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 17, 2021 22:09:38 GMT -5
One thing for sure is that it's more fun having heathy debates after wins than it is after losses!
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 17, 2021 22:14:07 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to call someone out for criticizing burning one of your only good bullpen pitchers in a 9-0 game. But hey, to each his or her own, I guess. And my problem with it is that HMF is right, this is about the 4th blowout in a row that Snitker has burned Matzek, and one of those times it kept us from using him in a game we needed him because he can't pitch three days in a row.
Again, I don’t think that 14 non stressful pitches after having a full week of rest burns Matzek out. The other times, sure. Given Snit’s track record, I can see how you and HMF would have difficulty giving him any benefit of the doubt, but I personally didn’t have any issue with the move. I’d much rather have a reliever shake off the rust in a blowout than in a high leverage situation. That’s just smart managing to me. But again, to each his or her own. Bottom line, I’m just glad we won and didn’t have a bullpen meltdown. Bottom line.. I agree. Those bullpen meltdowns suck the life-force from my soul. We've had a ton of issues this year but would still be in first place if our bullpen was just decent. Any move my Snitker can blow up in seconds through no fault of is. He has had nothing he could really count on.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 17, 2021 22:15:04 GMT -5
No sweat guys. You have your reasons for not liking the move. I have mine for not having a problem with it. Sorry that I voiced my displeasure in your criticism of the move. Hopefully we can get enough innings from Smyly tomorrow and enough runs that we don’t need to worry about whoever Snit turns to in the pen. I think one thing we can all agree on is that the less we see of the 2021 Braves bullpen, the better.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 17, 2021 22:22:03 GMT -5
Pirates walked off the mutts with a grand slam, 9-7.
And now somehow, braves are just 3 games back.
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