hokiedan
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Post by hokiedan on Jul 14, 2021 18:53:46 GMT -5
So chances are you need another catcher of some substance anyway. I am sort of on the fence with D Arnaud IF he is too expensive and would make the budget too tight once something is done with Freddie (hopefully) One way to get some money back is to be able to move Will Smith and some teams just might bite on him even with the year plus left on that contract. Who that is - it only takes one team. Because of his past record and some decent numbers, I would not give up thinking he can be moved. As for a catcher of substance, it should not break the budget to be an upgrade over the Fabulous Leon, got to check the mlb trade listings to see who might be available. Give Lucroy some playing time and see what he can do, can he be worse than the Fabulous Leon? Wonder what it will take to keep Charlie Morton, only the off season can tell. Could another team offer more than 15 mil, I thought that was generous though he has been pretty good for the most part. Could his market be near 20 mil? Who knows. I was looking at the list of free agent catchers for this year. Geez....talk about slim pickin's. The majority of the list are on the downhill side of their thirties. You got Posey and Molina...and then D'Arnaud. After that it gets pretty weak. Replacing D'Arnaud with anyone half as good could be difficult. www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/catcher/
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 14, 2021 19:11:48 GMT -5
I'd just about be willing to let d'naurd go on his merry way and hope that Langeliers can be ready for next year. He's going to be 24 when next season starts and has a really good arm. I do wish we'd see Langeliers at AAA right now, he's doing real well in AA so let's move him up and see. If he's not ready there's a LOT of decent options for patchwork catchers. I'd be willing to package Contreras and let him move him. I've seen enough laziness and cockiness and lack of skills behind the plate to ditch him while we can. I think he'll be a good hitter in the league but that's the only good I can see.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 14, 2021 19:15:54 GMT -5
I am sort of on the fence with D Arnaud IF he is too expensive and would make the budget too tight once something is done with Freddie (hopefully) One way to get some money back is to be able to move Will Smith and some teams just might bite on him even with the year plus left on that contract. Who that is - it only takes one team. Because of his past record and some decent numbers, I would not give up thinking he can be moved. As for a catcher of substance, it should not break the budget to be an upgrade over the Fabulous Leon, got to check the mlb trade listings to see who might be available. Give Lucroy some playing time and see what he can do, can he be worse than the Fabulous Leon? Wonder what it will take to keep Charlie Morton, only the off season can tell. Could another team offer more than 15 mil, I thought that was generous though he has been pretty good for the most part. Could his market be near 20 mil? Who knows. I was looking at the list of free agent catchers for this year. Geez....talk about slim pickin's. The majority of the list are on the downhill side of their thirties. You got Posey and Molina...and then D'Arnaud. After that it gets pretty weak. Replacing D'Arnaud with anyone half as good could be difficult. www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/catcher/The thing about the catching position is there aren't even that many decent starting catchers around the league, most teams evolved into a deal where they rotate two catchers, and for the most part not many of them stand out. When I mention being able to get a "decent" option I mean comparatively.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 14, 2021 19:32:17 GMT -5
Alex Jackson before tonight:
.257/.329/.643/.972
and he's already hit a two run HR tonight. He's looking better, more confident than I've ever seen him. I think he's still coming off a couple injuries but I would think we'll see in Atlanta in the next few weeks if he keeps healing. He has 8 HRs now in 71 AB's with Gwinnett this year.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 14, 2021 19:55:14 GMT -5
I think Langaliers will be ready next year. I could obviously be wrong, but he's a college guy who has done nothing but impress since we took him. Future star, IMO. Contreras can hit, but can't catch a lick. Trade him or change his position. My 2 cents. Contreras was hitting .204 with a sub Dansby OPS and OPS+, struck out 32% of the time compared to Dansby's 29%, and everyone here complains Dansby can't hit. So exactly how has Contreras been labeled a dude that "can hit"? Shea has never played a game above AA, so I'm far from ready to say he'll be ready next season.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 14, 2021 20:07:38 GMT -5
I think Langaliers will be ready next year. I could obviously be wrong, but he's a college guy who has done nothing but impress since we took him. Future star, IMO. Contreras can hit, but can't catch a lick. Trade him or change his position. My 2 cents. Contreras was hitting .204 with a sub Dansby OPS and OPS+, struck out 32% of the time compared to Dansby's 29%, and everyone here complains Dansby can't hit. So exactly how has Contreras been labeled a dude that "can hit"? Shea has never played a game above AA, so I'm far from ready to say he'll be ready next season. Contreras wasn't ready this year, and I've always believed that when a guy sucks on defense it affects his hitting.....a lot. It has to mess with your head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 20:47:30 GMT -5
Unless someone blows us away with a trade package, give Contreras another chance to improve himself in AAA and see if he can get better
He was labeled as a dude who could hit cause of what was an impressive early start, first impression. The game caught up with him and he did not make adjustments fast enough. So, he has to figure it out
My guess its too much hope to turn the keys over to Langliers in ST 2022. Look what happened to Pache when we did that - he was not ready
As for the D Arnaud thing, guess you just have to see how the market plays out and if another team offers him some crazy money we just may have to walk away
Keeping our icon is of most importance. I hope Pache will be better next yr and be more ready ditto Contreras
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 14, 2021 21:38:13 GMT -5
Contreras was hitting .204 with a sub Dansby OPS and OPS+, struck out 32% of the time compared to Dansby's 29%, and everyone here complains Dansby can't hit. So exactly how has Contreras been labeled a dude that "can hit"? Shea has never played a game above AA, so I'm far from ready to say he'll be ready next season. Contreras wasn't ready this year, and I've always believed that when a guy sucks on defense it affects his hitting.....a lot. It has to mess with your head. I would add to that Contreras has 155 MLB AB's and Dansby has 2144.
I assume Contreras will put up way better numbers as he gains experience.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 14, 2021 21:49:07 GMT -5
Contreras wasn't ready this year, and I've always believed that when a guy sucks on defense it affects his hitting.....a lot. It has to mess with your head. I would add to that Contreras has 155 MLB AB's and Dansby has 2144.
I assume Contreras will put up way better numbers as he gains experience.
Agreed. Also, although I haven't seen a lot of him, I just have a feeling that Langaliers will be ready very soon. He's older and more mature, plus he excels defensively. After what the Braves have run out there this year, I hope people see just how important defense really is in a catcher.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 14, 2021 21:51:10 GMT -5
Contreras wasn't ready this year, and I've always believed that when a guy sucks on defense it affects his hitting.....a lot. It has to mess with your head. I would add to that Contreras has 155 MLB AB's and Dansby has 2144. I assume Contreras will put up way better numbers as he gains experience.
I am sure he will, but we can also look at Dansby numbers from 2016 during his first 38 games vs Contreras first 44 games this season: Dansby's numbers overwhelm Contreras during the same point with about the same experience. I'll stand by it's a little early to just declare Contreras is a hitting machine.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 14, 2021 21:58:37 GMT -5
Dansby first 38 games
.302 BA .803 OPS 115 OPS+
Contreras first 44 games
.204 BA .666 OPS 73 OPS+
So I'll wait a bit to make definitive statements about Contreras and hitting.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 14, 2021 22:06:29 GMT -5
I don't think anyone called Contreras a hitting machine, but I do think he'll hit. However, I don't think he'll ever be a very good catcher.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 14, 2021 22:09:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone called Contreras a hitting machine, but I do think he'll hit. However, I don't think he'll ever be a very good catcher. You declared "he can hit". Maybe saying "hitting machine" was a bit of hyperbole but I compared apples to apples with everybody's favorite whipping boy, and if the point I am making is missed I don't know what to say other than it seems like some intellectual dishonesty.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 14, 2021 22:28:36 GMT -5
Yes, I said he can hit. He can, and he will. IMO. He'll hit better if he doesn't have to catch. IMO. I think he is too aggressive and doesn't see enough pitches, like a lot of our guys. I don't agree with Kevin Seitzer's hitting philosophy for most guys. Contreras is one of them, at least for now.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 14, 2021 22:35:38 GMT -5
So if he was batting .302 with an OPS of .803 and an OPS+ of 115 would he have been sent down or would he still be up here?
My point has been very simple all along, and that is it's a bit early to just declare he is going to be a consistent hitter at the MLB level. I think he can be... I hope he will be... I haven't seen enough to convince me yet.
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