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Post by TomlinFoolery on Apr 14, 2021 19:49:25 GMT -5
Riley has had enough time to get things together qnd show adjustments, but he hasn't done so. It's looking like he just flat out can't hit, which is a damn shame because the raw power he has is impressive.
Have they got anyone at the minor league level who looks anywhere close to being ready to play 3B in the big leagues? Or will they have to look externally in the off season?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 14, 2021 21:55:41 GMT -5
Danny Santana has played a little 3B.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Apr 14, 2021 22:02:46 GMT -5
Something, just anything. Let Santana have a few games at third. Cannot be worse than Riley who is quickly running out of time to turn it around.
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Post by peteorr on Apr 14, 2021 22:46:41 GMT -5
If fans hold themselves to a relatively set standard then they will tell you to be patient with Riley. If you remove Dansby's good 38 game high BABIP fueled numbers from 2016 then Dansby was a rather mediocre hitter during his first three seasons: 64 wRC+ in 2017, 80 in 2018, and 92 in 2019. Riley was at 85 and 88 in 2019 and 2020. So Riley has been a better hitter to start his career than Swanson has. That is to be expected given that SS requires a different body type. But I did want to at least provide some perspective.
I'm with you that there needs to be a change in some way to improve the lineup. If ownership had any self-respect then they wouldn't have the Braves bottom half of the order include all of d'Arnaud or Jackson, Dansby, Riley, and Pache or Ender. I mention d'Arnaud in there because I don't expect him to be nearly as good as he was last season. Every team has a few mediocre hitters. If the Braves had championship aspirations though they'd only have 2/4 of those players starting and have two spots in the lineup improved. The lineup issue is on top of the bullpen being back to 2019 pre-trade deadline status and the bench being weak.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 4:54:15 GMT -5
If fans hold themselves to a relatively set standard then they will tell you to be patient with Riley. If you remove Dansby's good 38 game high BABIP fueled numbers from 2016 then Dansby was a rather mediocre hitter during his first three seasons: 64 wRC+ in 2017, 80 in 2018, and 92 in 2019. Riley was at 85 and 88 in 2019 and 2020. So Riley has been a better hitter to start his career than Swanson has. That is to be expected given that SS requires a different body type. But I did want to at least provide some perspective. I'm with you that there needs to be a change in some way to improve the lineup. If ownership had any self-respect then they wouldn't have the Braves bottom half of the order include all of d'Arnaud or Jackson, Dansby, Riley, and Pache or Ender. I mention d'Arnaud in there because I don't expect him to be nearly as good as he was last season. Every team has a few mediocre hitters. If the Braves had championship aspirations though they'd only have 2/4 of those players starting and have two spots in the lineup improved. The lineup issue is on top of the bullpen being back to 2019 pre-trade deadline status and the bench being weak. The difference with Dansby from 2017 to 18 and 19 is that his compilation numbers did get a bit better each year. Last yr in the 60 game season was his best since that promising stretch in 2016. Of course I am a more of an AVG, HR, RBI and OBP. As for defense, Riley does make most of the plays. Dansby got better defensively too. He was real bad all around in 2017 In Riley's case he is not showing any offensive progress since that early home run spout when he first came up. His pitch recognition is not getting any better. That early HR run in 2019 is about all we have seen to date. He was so so at times last yr but still inconsistent per his numbers As for ownership, hey it is what it is, of course the pandemic is one reason or excuse why payroll went down by 14 percent. The FO grossly overpaid for Smyly - somewhat overpaid for Charlie Morton and there were some keepers all over the roster that in their mind had to go - not to mention the abrupt decline of Ender at quite a young age. We forget that Ender was a 3 WAR player as recently as 2018. And for 3 yrs he was a good player and a bargain for us. This ownership allows Alex to go so far, AA was dead set on about improving the SP and to date its not working For now putting Santana in there for a few games is not a bad idea. Given the parsimony of this org, might as well not give up on Riley but as a fan my patience as well as other fans is wearing thin
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 15, 2021 6:27:14 GMT -5
Danny Santana has played a little 3B. Do you know what happened here, Uck?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 15, 2021 7:43:30 GMT -5
Danny Santana has played a little 3B. Do you know what happened here, Uck? Feels like a Joosting In a way too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 13:32:28 GMT -5
Hey, Sandoval's played third for a long time, cannot count him out as an option
He's done more than we ever could think of - another PH HR. He was not horrible at third either
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 15, 2021 17:43:06 GMT -5
Do you know what happened here, Uck? Feels like a Joosting In a way too! Exactly, but Joosting usually works with players that are... ya know..... actually within the organization.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 15, 2021 18:11:04 GMT -5
Feels like a Joosting In a way too! Exactly, but Joosting usually works with players that are... ya know..... actually within the organization. lol, which made this that much more fun to me, hee-hee-hee.......
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Post by brady2705 on Apr 16, 2021 5:53:23 GMT -5
Riley, Wright, Waters for Jose Ramirez?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 16, 2021 6:59:57 GMT -5
Riley, Wright, Waters for Jose Ramirez? No
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 12:02:49 GMT -5
Riley, Wright, Waters for Jose Ramirez? No That would be tempting for me but I get why you say no - expecially if Wright can be the pitcher we all hoped he could be He did show something late last yr - Waters we have no clue yet and Riley well, he has really struggled and we do not know if he will get better Ramirez is a proven talent though.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 16, 2021 14:50:18 GMT -5
Riley, Wright, Waters for Jose Ramirez? No I'm not gonna say that I disagree with you (I pretty much agree, actually), but I will say that it is this hesitance to pull the trigger that has left the Braves with Riley as the starting 3rd baseman and Pache as the starting center fielder. I'm hesitant, too, and that's what makes trades so tough. Ramirez is a bonafide star who could put us over the top, and neither of those three might even make it..........then again, all 3 might make it. GM'ing is hard.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 16, 2021 15:04:27 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure nightman’s value masheen would poo-poo that trade big time.
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