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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 21, 2020 9:42:59 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure Nick is going to re-up with us one year at a time for the next seven years. That’s about when Snitkers time may be about up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 12:03:18 GMT -5
I thank Nick for his contributions during the rebuild, but I certainly hope he is done here. I have this recurring nightmare where we keep re-signing him for his veteran presents as long as Snit is still manager. How about a Matt Joyce reunion to replace Nick I do think Nick contributed more to the overall progress of the team than his WAR, but yes, Nick time should be up at this time Maybe a Baltimore reunion again for him as an elder statesman role model could be a place for him if he wants to continue playing Or, is it time for Nick to be a coach and maybe work his way to a manager's job. Bench coach somewhere? And is Charlie Culberson's time up or is there a place for him on the bench. I would keep Camargo around - what if the two kids really struggle out of the gate (Pache and Waters). I hope something can be done about Ender but might have to hope he can have a good ST and look healthy. Maybe some team that gets an injury would be desparate enough to take him assuming he looks good early - just take as much of the salary as can be dumped
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 12:08:33 GMT -5
I’m open to having any outside the box convo... I will agree it’s sometimes hard to watch and scary to think of him as the lynchpin when Freeman and his consistency are gone. His value is far and away the highest in the league due to his contract. Baseballtradevalues.com has his value 80 points higher than Soto and over 100 over Tatís Jr. (Bichette is worth 104 and Roberts worth 110). Essentially few teams have enough value to trade without sending their most valuable MLB assets back in return thus negating the purpose of the trade in the first place. The Blue Jays would have to give up Vlad Jr, Bichette, and Martin or Biggio plus some minor league talent. Would take one ballsy GM to make that happen. After thinking about it for a couple of days, hey it would take a hellacious return for me to want to part with Acuna but hey, always keep an open mind It would have to be young intriguing names like what is mentioned above but those teams do not want to part with those guys either Best hope is Ronnie has a better healthier more consistent yr next yr he is still extremely young. The OF of Acuna, Pache and Waters is a heck of a value for a home grown OF. I am glad Alex did not move Pache and Waters for temporary help. But like most rookies expect a learning curve. And Riley, well yr 3 will be a big one for him - we need for him to improve. Still pssed over that baserunning mistake have not forviven him for that
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 21, 2020 19:16:42 GMT -5
Let's sign Stroman and Nelson Cruz (assuming the DH stays in the NL). Bauer ain't gonna happen in Atlanta. The Yankees or a Cali team will probably sign him. Ozuna will command too much money for us (DH assumption again). I think Stroman and Cruz would be good fits for Los Bravos.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 21, 2020 20:16:22 GMT -5
I’m open to having any outside the box convo... I will agree it’s sometimes hard to watch and scary to think of him as the lynchpin when Freeman and his consistency are gone. His value is far and away the highest in the league due to his contract. Baseballtradevalues.com has his value 80 points higher than Soto and over 100 over Tatís Jr. (Bichette is worth 104 and Roberts worth 110). Essentially few teams have enough value to trade without sending their most valuable MLB assets back in return thus negating the purpose of the trade in the first place. The Blue Jays would have to give up Vlad Jr, Bichette, and Martin or Biggio plus some minor league talent. Would take one ballsy GM to make that happen. After thinking about it for a couple of days, hey it would take a hellacious return for me to want to part with Acuna but hey, always keep an open mind It would have to be young intriguing names like what is mentioned above but those teams do not want to part with those guys either Best hope is Ronnie has a better healthier more consistent yr next yr he is still extremely young. The OF of Acuna, Pache and Waters is a heck of a value for a home grown OF. I am glad Alex did not move Pache and Waters for temporary help. But like most rookies expect a learning curve. And Riley, well yr 3 will be a big one for him - we need for him to improve. Still pssed over that baserunning mistake have not forviven him for that I am not mad about Riley's non-mistake. In that situation the lead runner has to stay alive long enough to allow the trailing runner to advance. The problem there was Swansby didn't get far enough down the line before the catcher had the ball and was chasing him back. The problem THERE was the ball was hit way too hard and way too directly at the infielder to break for the plate. I have no way of knowing if that is all on the runner on Washington, or on them both.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 21, 2020 20:47:07 GMT -5
I think this team was taught to play with reckless abandon with the bats and on the bases, and it paid off big-time for the most part, but bit us in the ass on that particular play. All I know if that I can't watch the World Series because we should be there. Losing the last three games of the NLCS really bugs the crap outta me.
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Post by akod on Oct 21, 2020 21:31:39 GMT -5
I’m coming around to the idea of Brantley on a multi year deal. He wouldn’t be near the cost of Ozuna and he would provide more contact for a team with a ton of swing and miss.
LeMahieu would be a great fit in this capacity as well but the Yanks want him back yet plus he will most assuredly get a QO. Financially they are in a pickle and need to unload some payroll. Ottavino is their Inciarte with 9 mil on the books and part of it would need to be eaten to move him. He can be a head case but that slider is still one of the best in the game. My question would be if the Yanks would part with Severino and his 10 mil (each of the next two seasons) for us to take on the full Ottavino deal (9 mil for 1 year). That gives them an extra 20 mil to help sign LeMahieu and a starter who would actually contribute the entire year, hopefully. Severino would not be ready until June or July and after not pitching much over the last 2 years will need some time to get back in the swing of things. Our gamble would be he could help down the stretch and hopefully be an absolute steal in 2022. I’m sure the Pinstripes would be extremely hesitant but they have been snake bitten with starter injuries and might want more durability. A NY Post article suggested Sevy would be hard to move while another one preached the value of his contract despite the injuries so who knows. Just a thought.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 21, 2020 22:29:06 GMT -5
I think this team was taught to play with reckless abandon with the bats and on the bases, and it paid off big-time for the most part, but bit us in the ass on that particular play. All I know if that I can't watch the World Series because we should be there. Losing the last three games of the NLCS really bugs the crap outta me. I actually found us a bit conservative regarding steals and such. Washington was a bit of a gambler at 3rd, but I didn't really mind. We just tended to play low IQ ball at critical moments. That ball was hit way too hard directly at someone to break for the plate. It was a lack of situational awareness. We should have told Dansby not to run if the ball was hit directly very hard at an infielder. I saw enough other mistakes this year to think that never happened. It pisses me off because I remember one of the Snit selling points was that we would be a fundamentally sound team and we did stupid unsound crap all year.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 21, 2020 23:55:06 GMT -5
I think this team was taught to play with reckless abandon with the bats and on the bases, and it paid off big-time for the most part, but bit us in the ass on that particular play. All I know if that I can't watch the World Series because we should be there. Losing the last three games of the NLCS really bugs the crap outta me. I actually found us a bit conservative regarding steals and such. Washington was a bit of a gambler at 3rd, but I didn't really mind. We just tended to play low IQ ball at critical moments. That ball was hit way too hard directly at someone to break for the plate. It was a lack of situational awareness. We should have told Dansby not to run if the ball was hit directly very hard at an infielder. I saw enough other mistakes this year to think that never happened. It pisses me off because I remember one of the Snit selling points was that we would be a fundamentally sound team and we did stupid unsound crap all year. I haven't even been able to talk about the series I've been so pissed off about some of the things that happened. The number one thing that pisses me off is that we smoked Bellinger on fastballs up and in the whole series, and that's his known weakness. No matter how many you throw it there, he will keep swinging, and because of his swing he can't hit that pitch and never does. And yet that AB where he won the series we never went up and in one freaking time. We pitched him away the entire at bat. I assume they did that because they didn't want to go up and in and risk Martin making a mistake and getting it out overt he plate, but after Bellinger fouled off about 6 really good pitches Martin finally made a mistake and threw one in the the meatball zone. They should have stayed up and in on him, because it became clear during the series he would get rattled and couldn't hit a meatball if you threw him one. But we didn't go in one time in that AB.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 21, 2020 23:59:25 GMT -5
I actually found us a bit conservative regarding steals and such. Washington was a bit of a gambler at 3rd, but I didn't really mind. We just tended to play low IQ ball at critical moments. That ball was hit way too hard directly at someone to break for the plate. It was a lack of situational awareness. We should have told Dansby not to run if the ball was hit directly very hard at an infielder. I saw enough other mistakes this year to think that never happened. It pisses me off because I remember one of the Snit selling points was that we would be a fundamentally sound team and we did stupid unsound crap all year. I haven't even been able to talk about the series I've been so pissed off about some of the things that happened. The number one thing that pisses me off is that we smoked Bellinger on fastballs up and in the whole series, and that's his known weakness. No matter how many you throw it there, he will keep swinging, and because of his swing he can't hit that pitch and never does. And yet that AB where he won the series we never went up and in one freaking time. We pitched him away the entire at bat. I assume they did that because they didn't want to go up and in and risk Martin making a mistake and getting it out overt he plate, but after Bellinger fouled off about 6 really good pitches Martin finally made a mistake and threw one in the the meatball zone. They should have stayed up and in on him, because it became clear during the series he would get rattled and couldn't hit a meatball if you threw him one. But we didn't go in one time in that AB. Should’ve walked bellinger and pitched to pollock. R/R that’s my hill and I’ll die on it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 22, 2020 0:24:21 GMT -5
I haven't even been able to talk about the series I've been so pissed off about some of the things that happened. The number one thing that pisses me off is that we smoked Bellinger on fastballs up and in the whole series, and that's his known weakness. No matter how many you throw it there, he will keep swinging, and because of his swing he can't hit that pitch and never does. And yet that AB where he won the series we never went up and in one freaking time. We pitched him away the entire at bat. I assume they did that because they didn't want to go up and in and risk Martin making a mistake and getting it out overt he plate, but after Bellinger fouled off about 6 really good pitches Martin finally made a mistake and threw one in the the meatball zone. They should have stayed up and in on him, because it became clear during the series he would get rattled and couldn't hit a meatball if you threw him one. But we didn't go in one time in that AB. Should’ve walked bellinger and pitched to pollock. R/R that’s my hill and I’ll die on it. I would have a hard time justifying walking the go ahead and potential series winning run in the bottom of the 7th of a tied game with two outs and nobody on. And Martin had already struck out Muncy and Smith. If Bellinger had been raking the whole series I could see pitching around him, and really they kind of did, they didn't give him much of anything to hit, most of it was off the plate but he kept wasting those pitches. Before that AB he was 4 for 24 in the series and we had struck him out 9 times by pounding him unmercifully up and in. But Martin finally made the mistake and that was that. Theoretically it wasn't over, but we sure went down in typical fashion after that without a whimper.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 22, 2020 9:07:28 GMT -5
I actually found us a bit conservative regarding steals and such. Washington was a bit of a gambler at 3rd, but I didn't really mind. We just tended to play low IQ ball at critical moments. That ball was hit way too hard directly at someone to break for the plate. It was a lack of situational awareness. We should have told Dansby not to run if the ball was hit directly very hard at an infielder. I saw enough other mistakes this year to think that never happened. It pisses me off because I remember one of the Snit selling points was that we would be a fundamentally sound team and we did stupid unsound crap all year. I haven't even been able to talk about the series I've been so pissed off about some of the things that happened. The number one thing that pisses me off is that we smoked Bellinger on fastballs up and in the whole series, and that's his known weakness. No matter how many you throw it there, he will keep swinging, and because of his swing he can't hit that pitch and never does. And yet that AB where he won the series we never went up and in one freaking time. We pitched him away the entire at bat. I assume they did that because they didn't want to go up and in and risk Martin making a mistake and getting it out overt he plate, but after Bellinger fouled off about 6 really good pitches Martin finally made a mistake and threw one in the the meatball zone. They should have stayed up and in on him, because it became clear during the series he would get rattled and couldn't hit a meatball if you threw him one. But we didn't go in one time in that AB. oh we all knew it was over.
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 22, 2020 18:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 22, 2020 19:01:06 GMT -5
Great job Freddie! How is Rusty?
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 22, 2020 21:02:46 GMT -5
Great job Freddie! How is Rusty? He's doing OK. Getting better, eating and drinking well and becoming more feisty. Gets staples out next week. Still having some issues with the lungs to be resolved and haven't gotten the biopsy results yet but he's home and resting comfortably weaning off pain medicines and steroids.
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