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Post by peteorr on Sept 19, 2020 11:21:12 GMT -5
As we all know since the pandemic businesses have seen decreased revenues. I've seen several tweets about the Braves having decreased revenue and maybe even decreased profits. The Braves needed pitching at the trade deadline and didn't get it. AA said that was due to him not wanting to give up what it would have taken to make certain trades, but money was likely a factor or could have even been the determining factor even if he wasn't willing to admit it. Anthoupolos has quotes such as this one from SI that look pretty bad. As far as I am concerned ownership isn't willing to spend and Anthoupolos covers for them by saying the moves weren't the right ones to make. www.si.com/mlb/braves/news/braves-might-have-more-financial-flexibility
“I can tell you. I was talking to Terry McGuirk the other day. And obviously, we’ve done a lot so far this winter. Very supportive. He just told me the other day… he’s like, ‘Look, I want you to continue. If there is something else that you think is big and impactful and can continue to drive us forward and put us over the top, I want you to go for it. I want you to try and do it.’ I’m like, ‘Wow. I can just keep going and going?’ He’s like, ‘Yeah.’ It was exciting to hear.”
There's been other quotes, but I don't remember what was said enough to be able to track them down. Anyway, the "financial flexibility" the Braves supposedly had and have hasn't resulted in massive spending.
In order for the Braves to keep Freeman they very likely have to extend him this winter a year before he becomes a free agent. Another team would certainly be willing to outbid the Braves if Freeman was on the open market. As you all know Freeman is having an incredible season. If he isn't the MVP, he will certainly be top 5. The Braves are complaining about revenue generated and are looking at having to extend the MVP. The Braves aren't going to be willing/able to pay the price for Freeman unless Freeman is willing to take a big discount to sign.
In other thoughts: I didn't post this in real time as I thought about it. The current Braves were not going to win the World Series this season even at full strength. I'm sure anyone who disagrees with that would agree that the Braves weren't going to win the World Series this season after the Soroka injury and while Hamels may be healthy now, that injury could still prove disruptive in the playoffs. The Braves don't have nearly as strong a farm system as they once did during the rebuild. This of course was inevitable due to graduations and prospect failure.
Anyway, with the Braves farm system needing a boost and the current team not being able to win the World Series, they should have looked to revamp the farm system. There were very few teams selling at the deadline this year because eight teams from each league will make the playoffs. This was the perfect time to sell. Ozuna is having a career year with the bat and the Braves could have flipped him for more than the second round pick that they gave up initially to sign him. d'Arnaud is having a career year with the bat and the Braves also should have flipped him. The Braves have an excellent bullpen that they could have used to improve the farm system. Duvall, Swanson, and Markakis were all potential trade assets depending on interest from other teams.
I was unsure in real time if the Braves should have traded Freeman at the deadline. As of now, I am certain that they should have. This would have improved the farm system if the Braves wanted to just let the players grow and eventually help the major league team or they could have been assets to use this offseason or at next trade deadline if the Braves wanted to go all in next season on winning a World Series. As is, the Braves have taken a middle of the road approach this year and making the playoffs means very little. The hope is that the Braves continue the middle of the road approach next season because that's what I see as the best case scenario given all the talks about finances. We could potentially see the Braves decrease payroll next season and that factors in raises to existing players via arbitration and existing contracts for players such as Acuna ($4M raise) and Albies ($2M raise).
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 19, 2020 12:37:16 GMT -5
That's a troll post, bro.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 19, 2020 12:45:01 GMT -5
I think there’s a 99% chance we’ll extend him This offseason for about 4-5 years depending on how much of a favor he’s willing to do us. I could see it being 6 if he’s willing to be really kind to us. Aside from being an equally great face of the franchise as Chipper was, he takes care of himself and even for a big guy he should age well as a MLB player. I think we spend our big money here as a sure bet and don’t take big money chances on a guy like Ozuna.
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Post by peteorr on Sept 19, 2020 13:28:27 GMT -5
It comes down to just how much of a favor Freeman would be willing to give the Braves. Freeman just turned 31 so his new contract would start soon after he has turned 32. A six year contract for his 33-38 seasons isn't an unreasonable ask from Freeman in my opinion. Rendon is younger, but was paid $35M a season. A 6/$200M ask from Freeman wouldn't be extremely ambitious. If he wouldn't get that big an offer in free agency, I would imagine that the largest offer would come close. The Braves wouldn't be willing to spend $200M on Freeman. 5/$150M would be a discount. Would Freeman be willing to go that low and the Braves be willing to go that high despite that figure being a discount?
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Post by PABraveFan on Sept 19, 2020 14:16:53 GMT -5
As we all know since the pandemic businesses have seen decreased revenues. I've seen several tweets about the Braves having decreased revenue and maybe even decreased profits. The Braves needed pitching at the trade deadline and didn't get it. AA said that was due to him not wanting to give up what it would have taken to make certain trades, but money was likely a factor or could have even been the determining factor even if he wasn't willing to admit it. Anthoupolos has quotes such as this one from SI that look pretty bad. As far as I am concerned ownership isn't willing to spend and Anthoupolos covers for them by saying the moves weren't the right ones to make. www.si.com/mlb/braves/news/braves-might-have-more-financial-flexibility
“I can tell you. I was talking to Terry McGuirk the other day. And obviously, we’ve done a lot so far this winter. Very supportive. He just told me the other day… he’s like, ‘Look, I want you to continue. If there is something else that you think is big and impactful and can continue to drive us forward and put us over the top, I want you to go for it. I want you to try and do it.’ I’m like, ‘Wow. I can just keep going and going?’ He’s like, ‘Yeah.’ It was exciting to hear.”
There's been other quotes, but I don't remember what was said enough to be able to track them down. Anyway, the "financial flexibility" the Braves supposedly had and have hasn't resulted in massive spending.
In order for the Braves to keep Freeman they very likely have to extend him this winter a year before he becomes a free agent. Another team would certainly be willing to outbid the Braves if Freeman was on the open market. As you all know Freeman is having an incredible season. If he isn't the MVP, he will certainly be top 5. The Braves are complaining about revenue generated and are looking at having to extend the MVP. The Braves aren't going to be willing/able to pay the price for Freeman unless Freeman is willing to take a big discount to sign.
In other thoughts: I didn't post this in real time as I thought about it. The current Braves were not going to win the World Series this season even at full strength. I'm sure anyone who disagrees with that would agree that the Braves weren't going to win the World Series this season after the Soroka injury and while Hamels may be healthy now, that injury could still prove disruptive in the playoffs. The Braves don't have nearly as strong a farm system as they once did during the rebuild. This of course was inevitable due to graduations and prospect failure.
Anyway, with the Braves farm system needing a boost and the current team not being able to win the World Series, they should have looked to revamp the farm system. There were very few teams selling at the deadline this year because eight teams from each league will make the playoffs. This was the perfect time to sell. Ozuna is having a career year with the bat and the Braves could have flipped him for more than the second round pick that they gave up initially to sign him. d'Arnaud is having a career year with the bat and the Braves also should have flipped him. The Braves have an excellent bullpen that they could have used to improve the farm system. Duvall, Swanson, and Markakis were all potential trade assets depending on interest from other teams.
I was unsure in real time if the Braves should have traded Freeman at the deadline. As of now, I am certain that they should have. This would have improved the farm system if the Braves wanted to just let the players grow and eventually help the major league team or they could have been assets to use this offseason or at next trade deadline if the Braves wanted to go all in next season on winning a World Series. As is, the Braves have taken a middle of the road approach this year and making the playoffs means very little. The hope is that the Braves continue the middle of the road approach next season because that's what I see as the best case scenario given all the talks about finances. We could potentially see the Braves decrease payroll next season and that factors in raises to existing players via arbitration and existing contracts for players such as Acuna ($4M raise) and Albies ($2M raise).
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Sept 19, 2020 14:52:38 GMT -5
This is a very dumb post.
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Post by bbnforthea on Sept 19, 2020 14:52:43 GMT -5
This is the most ridiculous post ever written about the Braves. It would take someone ignoring every other piece of news around to believe it if they aren't trolling. Freeman has repeatedly indicated that he wants to be a Brave for life. He's also absolutely the kind of person to give a "hometown" discount (realizing he's from SoCal). They've talked about this multiple times on 755 is Real if you'd like to hear two people that actually know Freddie discuss it.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 19, 2020 15:11:25 GMT -5
This was almost as good as the "Are the Braves on the verge of a Marlins like firesale?" tread.
Good work
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 18:40:43 GMT -5
I hope there is nothing to any of this but you never know
Sure the Braves are missing revenue due to Covid, but so are all major league teams so I do see some industry salary adjustments
I do not see the 30 million dollar a yr contracts going forward throughout this industry - they again I am a fiscally conservative guy
The Mookie Betts deal might be the last of its kind in this industry for a while till the industry rebounds from this Covid stuff
Does this impact what the Braves do with Freeman, like letting him walk or trading him for 50 cents on the dollar well, we will see. I would not call it total BS or trolling - in my opinion I just do not know
The Braves are a team that does watch the bottom corporate line though it has been loosened up a bit last couple of yrs
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Post by peteorr on Sept 22, 2020 7:22:52 GMT -5
Westie what it comes down to for me is what is the difference between what Freeman could earn on the free agent market and how much money the Braves are willing to pay him. If Freeman wants what the market dictates, then either a large market team will pay him. The Betts deal was done after covid. So you have to figure if the Yankees or another big spender want Freeman, then he will be gone. Granted this was pre-covid, but we saw a number of teams try to sign Machado. Notably the White Sox were one team that tried hard to sign him and the Padres ultimately signed him. Neither team is considered a large market team. The Angels or Giants could go after Freeman.
There doesn't absolutely have to be a precedent set in which the Braves have shown the willingness to spend big money. That would make me more confident though. The Acuna and Albies extensions were big discounts and no brainers. The most the Braves have committed to a player under Anthoupolos other than those two was Smith and that was $40M. I think market value for Freeman would be 6/200 and that's 5X what the Braves paid Smith.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 22, 2020 9:43:31 GMT -5
That Smith contract is for 3 years
Make it 6 to be a fair compare and you are talking 80
That is 2.5 x what the Braves paid Smith for a 6 year Freeman
contract; The face of the franchise and an everyday player
vs a closer.
The Braves would pay that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 15:32:47 GMT -5
I would not hold it against Freeman if he pursues what he is worth. He has been a great Brave (of course the organization has taken care if him up to now) & he justified the extension more than we could ask for as fans.
None of us know what the market will be this off season. We do not even know if there will be fans in the stands in 2021, at least right now. Unless something really breaks good with the science I cannot see fans in the stands at the start of the year.
Even big market teams are going to react to that.
As for what will happen with Freddie, cannot really say but it would not shock me if he is not afforded the extension that he deserves. The business of the game is hard and to fans of mid market teams it often stinks.
In Freddie's case if it comes to that point, we might get more out of it by keeping him one more yr than trading him for mediocre pieces. Cause the Braves should not be in a position like the Orioles were with Machado for example, or the second Texiera deal the Braves made with the Angels. Braves would have been better off with the draft pick compensation on that one.
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