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Post by buzzy on Sept 14, 2020 19:48:32 GMT -5
Rhetorical question. He doesn’t. The only coaching of pitchers happens at Gwinnett and below. Hated the quick hire of “Kranny” after Hernandez but had no idea it would be this bad. I mean did we not see what he did to get fired in Philadelphia?
We deserve better than this
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 14, 2020 20:04:29 GMT -5
I am worried it's an organizational pitching issue in addition to just him. You have guys that just have it and they will
get it on their own, and then you have guys that need to be developed and we don't
seem to do much with those guys. When they get here they don't seem to have a clue as to
what they are doing. We've seen a pitcher leave and blast the organization and we've had too
many with great stuff that just have no idea how to actually pitch.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Sept 14, 2020 20:19:28 GMT -5
It isn't just him, its organization wide. Massive failure to coach and develop a lot of highly touted prospects. Needs to be a house cleaning. The pitching development flat sucks
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 15, 2020 6:44:11 GMT -5
What's the most frustrating to me about the pitching development is that for years the Braves were the best at it, and now we appear to be the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:29:21 GMT -5
We really were not doing a bad job developing pitchers in the Roger Mc Dowell era
Now yes, some of those guys like Beachy, Medlen and Jair did break down but they got to the show and did make a decent contribution.
Under Chuck Hernandez and Kranitz well, its been a pit of failure.
Also note that Julio Teheran started his downhill after Roger Mc Dowell left
But if you look at other organizations, there seems to be problems in developing young pitchers, seems like this issue is game wide. Too much focus on strikeouts and no one knows how to teach these guys to pitch to contact to get men out. And that everybody throws 90 plus is ridiculous. If you can get guys out at 94/95 mph, why can't you get em out at 91/92?
Guys used to be effective in the mid to high 80's maybe hit 90 once in a while. Would Glavine and Maddux even be scouted this day in time. Shame.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:30:46 GMT -5
Open question to add to this tread, Who are the great pitching minds - the great teachers in today's game.
What orgs really do a good job developing pitching? Cleveland is one I can think of off hand.
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Post by peteorr on Sept 19, 2020 10:40:27 GMT -5
I am worried it's an organizational pitching issue in addition to just him. You have guys that just have it and they will get it on their own, and then you have guys that need to be developed and we don't seem to do much with those guys. When they get here they don't seem to have a clue as to what they are doing. We've seen a pitcher leave and blast the organization and we've had too many with great stuff that just have no idea how to actually pitch. Take this for what you will. I believe it given how the Braves obtained so many pitchers and had limited success. A lot of that development has been since AA became GM.
By the way...
About 18 months ago I was told by someone high up the Braves were going to have these very issues developing pitchers and it was a front office problem, not a coaching problem
Y’all can make of that what you will
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Post by peteorr on Sept 19, 2020 10:49:14 GMT -5
WestieDog there is a Scott Coleman tweet that he either deleted or I can't find. In it he wrote that pitching coaches have less to do with pitching than before, that developing pitching is a lot more than teaching your kid how to pitch in the back yard. Basically as I understand it, the front office is very important in pitching development because they are deciding which pitches that pitcher is effective with and which pitches hitters might be susceptible to. There is also Driveline which I don't really know anything about. Other teams may be using it or at least individuals on other teams and there have been a lot of successful results. Whatever the trends are in pitching, the Braves need to at least be quick to follow the trends. Ideally they are ahead of the curve and start the trends themselves. That's a tall ask though.
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Post by bbnforthea on Sept 19, 2020 14:59:06 GMT -5
WestieDog there is a Scott Coleman tweet that he either deleted or I can't find. In it he wrote that pitching coaches have less to do with pitching than before, that developing pitching is a lot more than teaching your kid how to pitch in the back yard. Basically as I understand it, the front office is very important in pitching development because they are deciding which pitches that pitcher is effective with and which pitches hitters might be susceptible to. There is also Driveline which I don't really know anything about. Other teams may be using it or at least individuals on other teams and there have been a lot of successful results. Whatever the trends are in pitching, the Braves need to at least be quick to follow the trends. Ideally they are ahead of the curve and start the trends themselves. That's a tall ask though. Again, I'd recommend 755 is Real for you as they have talked a lot about Driveline and the impact it has. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 18:52:27 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I have never heard of Scott Coleman
Seems like Front Offices of today are doing too much, the Ivy League smarties are getting too much in the way of everything if managers and coaches cannot do their job like they used to
What is the point of having coaches if they cannot teach the game
Guess I have to find about what Driveline is, just wish the game was learned on the field and not by the front office people who many have never played the game at any level
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