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Post by Drkirby on Sept 1, 2020 11:10:58 GMT -5
You can’t stop running a pitcher out just because he gets bombed. I didn’t say stop using him, you just start using him earlier in the game until he gets better then move him back to the 8th inning slot if need be. It’s not rocket science. Who should we have ran out? Luke? I’d rather argue melancon shouldn’t have been used.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 1, 2020 11:29:33 GMT -5
Shane Greene
He worked the day before but so did Melancon and Smith.
I am not that concerned about it though. We had a 3 run lead.
We didn't have Smith at the beginning of the season and we still had an effective pen, so you can wonder why he's not being rounded into shape anywhere but the 8th inning of save opportunities, but I think in this case he wanted to save Greene for a possible save opportunity in the next game. I doubt he wants to run Melancon out there 3 in a row.
In the grand scheme of it all, I was okay with using Smith there last night. He could have used Smith in the 7th and Martin in the 8th but who knows if that would have made a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 12:12:24 GMT -5
Mark Bradley had a good article about Alex holding still at the trade deadline in the AJC, is a good read.
He thinks Alex is right in not overpaying for this season - good read check it out
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Post by 3dognight on Sept 1, 2020 12:14:37 GMT -5
Just read an interesting article on Fansided. It was about how the Braves are overvaluing prospects in big trade opportunities.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 1, 2020 13:04:53 GMT -5
Mark Bradley had a good article about Alex holding still at the trade deadline in the AJC, is a good read. He thinks Alex is right in not overpaying for this season - good read check it out Just read an interesting article on Fansided. It was about how the Braves are overvaluing prospects in big trade opportunities. Opinions seem to go both ways.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 1, 2020 13:16:24 GMT -5
We should blow out the farm system then lose out on free agents over the next few years so we can slide towards another rebuild and win 50 games every year, that was fun.
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Post by 3dognight on Sept 1, 2020 13:28:54 GMT -5
We should blow out the farm system then lose out on free agents over the next few years so we can slide towards another rebuild and win 50 games every year, that was fun. The Fansided article wasn’t suggesting cleaning out the pantry. Actually it mentioned Pache and Anderson as 2 that shouldn’t have been offered. I think there can be a happy medium.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 1, 2020 13:32:49 GMT -5
We should blow out the farm system then lose out on free agents over the next few years so we can slide towards another rebuild and win 50 games every year, that was fun. The Fansided article wasn’t suggesting cleaning out the pantry. Actually it mentioned Pache and Anderson as 2 that shouldn’t have been offered. I think there can be a happy medium. I understand that, I also understand AA not wanting to gamble with any of the higher prospects. We’re not going to win free agent battles so we need all those kids we can hang onto. Of course not all will flourish in the big leagues, which is why you need to stockpile them when they are the cornerstone for keeping your team good year after year. And we don’t have a deep system right now, most of them have moved to the big leagues or flopped.
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Post by 3dognight on Sept 1, 2020 14:37:12 GMT -5
The Fansided article wasn’t suggesting cleaning out the pantry. Actually it mentioned Pache and Anderson as 2 that shouldn’t have been offered. I think there can be a happy medium. I understand that, I also understand AA not wanting to gamble with any of the higher prospects. We’re not going to win free agent battles so we need all those kids we can hang onto. Of course not all will flourish in the big leagues, which is why you need to stockpile them when they are the cornerstone for keeping your team good year after year. And we don’t have a deep system right now, most of them have moved to the big leagues or flopped. We don’t win the free agent battles because Liberty chooses to lose. Other than 2 outfield spots and catcher this team is young. If Anderson continues to progress, we have three solid starters when Saroka comes back in their 20’s. It’s not like we will be rebuilding in the next 2 or 3 years. If just being competitive is enough, I can see being afraid to go for it. Maybe in the everybody gets a trophy culture, just not stinking it up might be enough. I’m not geared that way. To me, the goal is to win the World Series. Not to hoard up prospects and make sure you have that guy for 5-6 years down the road. Ted Turner is and was a flake, but he had a desire to win. And not just win, but win it all. I think the mindset of this organization now is to be good as long as it’s cheap and make a sizable profit in the process.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 1, 2020 16:49:13 GMT -5
I understand that, I also understand AA not wanting to gamble with any of the higher prospects. We’re not going to win free agent battles so we need all those kids we can hang onto. Of course not all will flourish in the big leagues, which is why you need to stockpile them when they are the cornerstone for keeping your team good year after year. And we don’t have a deep system right now, most of them have moved to the big leagues or flopped. We don’t win the free agent battles because Liberty chooses to lose. Other than 2 outfield spots and catcher this team is young. If Anderson continues to progress, we have three solid starters when Saroka comes back in their 20’s. It’s not like we will be rebuilding in the next 2 or 3 years. If just being competitive is enough, I can see being afraid to go for it. Maybe in the everybody gets a trophy culture, just not stinking it up might be enough. I’m not geared that way. To me, the goal is to win the World Series. Not to hoard up prospects and make sure you have that guy for 5-6 years down the road. Ted Turner is and was a flake, but he had a desire to win. And not just win, but win it all. I think the mindset of this organization now is to be good as long as it’s cheap and make a sizable profit in the process. Well, you can lament the good old days and pray for a new owner who will make us a top 5 payroll team all you want. In the meantime I’m going to live in reality and realize things are what they are and we have to have a sensible budget and spend our money very wisely and keep our farm system as strong as we can or we’re going to end up being a 50 win team again in the near future. It doesn’t mean I don’t want to win as much as you or anyone else, I just get why AA’s hands are tied. LM has the right to spend their money any way they want to. I do think they’ve been fair, they just haven’t gone nuts. I think one can look at the last 20-30 years and see that big money teams don’t even win it all very often anyway.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 1, 2020 17:17:32 GMT -5
No... it's groundhog day.
We are back on "Liberty wants to lose!"
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Post by 3dognight on Sept 1, 2020 17:37:28 GMT -5
No... it's groundhog day. We are back on "Liberty wants to lose!" Talking about not putting a real effort into signing free agents. Not an intentional attempt to lose.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 1, 2020 17:39:20 GMT -5
No... it's groundhog day. We are back on "Liberty wants to lose!"
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 1, 2020 17:53:06 GMT -5
No... it's groundhog day. We are back on "Liberty wants to lose!" Talking about not putting a real effort into signing free agents. Not an intentional attempt to lose. We've been over this 1000 times over many years. Yes, Liberty wants to make a profit as do all owners. Liberty however is not directly involved in the running of the Braves organization, and the Braves revenue to payroll to profit ratios are usually right in line with other organizations. That is as far as I am going with the discussion as we've had it here (with documented factual proof) and on the old message board innumerable times.
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Post by 3dognight on Sept 1, 2020 17:53:38 GMT -5
We don’t win the free agent battles because Liberty chooses to lose. Other than 2 outfield spots and catcher this team is young. If Anderson continues to progress, we have three solid starters when Saroka comes back in their 20’s. It’s not like we will be rebuilding in the next 2 or 3 years. If just being competitive is enough, I can see being afraid to go for it. Maybe in the everybody gets a trophy culture, just not stinking it up might be enough. I’m not geared that way. To me, the goal is to win the World Series. Not to hoard up prospects and make sure you have that guy for 5-6 years down the road. Ted Turner is and was a flake, but he had a desire to win. And not just win, but win it all. I think the mindset of this organization now is to be good as long as it’s cheap and make a sizable profit in the process. Well, you can lament the good old days and pray for a new owner who will make us a top 5 payroll team all you want. In the meantime I’m going to live in reality and realize things are what they are and we have to have a sensible budget and spend our money very wisely and keep our farm system as strong as we can or we’re going to end up being a 50 win team again in the near future. It doesn’t mean I don’t want to win as much as you or anyone else, I just get why AA’s hands are tied. LM has the right to spend their money any way they want to. I do think they’ve been fair, they just haven’t gone nuts. I think one can look at the last 20-30 years and see that big money teams don’t even win it all very often anyway. I’m sure that Liberty is ecstatic that they have fans who are fine with just ok.
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