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Post by keystone61 on Aug 31, 2020 8:50:17 GMT -5
So I hear we're in on Clevinger, and as I noted previously they apparently want Waters and not a bag full of castoffs. Who is in on giving up Waters and some other pieces for this deal? I'd trade Wright or Waters, but not both. Wright still has a shot at being an ace, I think, but Clevinger is already there. Wright could also be a bust, so I'm thinking it's gonna take something like him and Muller to get it done. I'd be fine with that. I'd love to keep Waters, but I suspect he is the prime target for the tribe here.
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 31, 2020 9:33:01 GMT -5
Totally disagree on Wright. He's still not been given a regular opportunity, and church league is just too short to give him that, unless we fall apart over the next 10 days or so. Honestly, Touki hasn't been given a real opportunity, either. Newcomb, on the other hand, has. If I'm giving up on somebody right now, it's Newcomb. Newcomb was very good out of the bullpen. Worked fast and threw strikes for the most part. Not sure why that hasn't translated into starting but he is much more deliberate as a starting pitcher than out of the bullpen and doesn't seem to get into the same kind of rhythm.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 31, 2020 10:20:00 GMT -5
Looks like Tommy Milone is it. Padres acquire Clevinger
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 31, 2020 10:28:29 GMT -5
Looks like Tommy Milone is it. Padres acquire Clevinger That probably ends a Plesac deal too. He'll probably be brought up to replace Clevinger. Bundy meh. I guess it's now Lynn the best option.
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Post by Drkirby on Aug 31, 2020 10:57:50 GMT -5
What do you mean Touki, Wilson, Ender, and camargo didn’t get it done?
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Post by Drkirby on Aug 31, 2020 10:59:11 GMT -5
Insane return. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports that the final deal will send Clevinger, outfielder Greg Allen and a player to be named later to the Padres in exchange for Naylor, Quantrill, Arias, catcher Austin Hedges, minor league left-hander Joey Cantillo and minor league infielder Owen Miller.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 31, 2020 11:06:33 GMT -5
Looks like Tommy Milone is it. Padres acquire Clevinger That probably ends a Plesac deal too. He'll probably be brought up to replace Clevinger. Bundy meh. I guess it's now Lynn the best option. Lynn would be better than what they have behind Fried now.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 31, 2020 11:28:46 GMT -5
That probably ends a Plesac deal too. He'll probably be brought up to replace Clevinger. Bundy meh. I guess it's now Lynn the best option. Lynn would be better than what they have behind Fried now. Really goin' out on a limb there, a'int cha??
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 31, 2020 11:36:57 GMT -5
Insane return. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports that the final deal will send Clevinger, outfielder Greg Allen and a player to be named later to the Padres in exchange for Naylor, Quantrill, Arias, catcher Austin Hedges, minor league left-hander Joey Cantillo and minor league infielder Owen Miller. That's steep. Roughly equivalent to something like Waters, Wright, Minter, and oh, I don't know........some other outfielder.
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Post by 3dognight on Aug 31, 2020 11:56:11 GMT -5
I don’t think there is any chance of AA ever trading any prospect with value. The only way he trades a prospect is if they come up, preforms badly, loses any value and then he dumps them and gets nothing of significance in return.
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Post by Drkirby on Aug 31, 2020 12:13:58 GMT -5
I don’t think there is any chance of AA ever trading any prospect with value. The only way he trades a prospect is if they come up, preforms badly, loses any value and then he dumps them and gets nothing of significance in return. Last time he did it was for RA Dickey. And we see how that worked out.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 31, 2020 12:16:29 GMT -5
I don’t think there is any chance of AA ever trading any prospect with value. The only way he trades a prospect is if they come up, preforms badly, loses any value and then he dumps them and gets nothing of significance in return. I wouldn't say ever, but what I've learned (about deadline deals especially) is that the team giving up the big target usually benefits the most. The Padres are in all-in mode for a church league season, which is a bit strange to me. Clevinger is nice, though, and has 2 years of control, but he walks quite a few guys and may be a bit of a loose cannon (or may not be for all I know). Plus, the Pads didn't give up any of their best prospects. Only Trammell is rated among the top 100, at number 60. AA obviously didn't want to give up Waters, which is fine by me. Bundy is decent with an arb year remaining, and maybe we get him and keep Waters. Again, that's fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 13:28:43 GMT -5
I am okay with the Braves passing on Clevinger given the return Cleveland got for him
I really want Pache, Waters and Acuna in next yrs OF with Ozuna as our DH. Nick in a role maybe as player/coach.
Than you got the IF of Riley, Dansby, Ozzie and Freddie and the catching I got to check on the contract status of Tyler and Travis. We got a couple of kids in the system too.
Lineup looks good for now, next yr and the future but got to get Freddie extended - now that is another discussion.
The pitching will have to be improved in the off season.
As for this trade deadline its still possible they can get a lesser pitcher like a Gausman. So long as you do not give up too much
BTW : Any update on what goes back to Baltimore in the Milone deal? I hope its cash considerations
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 13:34:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't say ever, but what I've learned (about deadline deals especially) is that the team giving up the big target usually benefits the most. Bundy is decent with an arb year remaining, and maybe we get him and keep Waters. Again, that's fine by me. I really do not know alot about those players SD gave up, the only one I know of a bit is Trammell. As for prospects its always we will see. As for Bundy, he has had alot of injuries in his career, was a real top prospect with good flashes at times. Even though he is doing well this yr I would not want to give up the top and maybe not the mid tiered end of our system Unless I can get a Gausman type rental reasonably cheap, I will pass - I will be satisfied just getting to the playoffs this time around anyway. But SP has to be improved this off season this is not sustainable over a regular season - of course I am pointing out the obvious I am surprised we are where we are given all that has gone in injuries, etc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 13:40:00 GMT -5
No I don't have faith in the pitching coaches in our system, at any level. But you have to change coaches and not just keep throwing really good prospects away. We've already lost too many as it is.
I will go along with that, and one thing I will look for this off season is how some of those responsible for pitching development are replaced That is the MOST important thing that Alex has to look at this off season - will be disappointed if nothing is done. Should Kranitz be gone - the problems were here well before him so that I do not know Wright is a 5th overall draft choice and is one that would be foolish to throw away, even fans like me frustrated with him down deep realize that. As for Clevinger well, hey SD went for that one and it might work for both teams though as I said I don't know a heck of alot about most of those guys except for Trammel
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